Thanks very much and best wishes from a new member. Going to go back and study your videos from the beginning. Why don't you think there will be good opportunities in poker in the future? Everyone is going to get too good?
I hear this a lot "Everyone is going to be too good and the games will be unbeatable" but as long as the fish are there you will still be able to profit. It likely won't ever be like it was 2006-2009 ever again but with hard work, dedication and a passion for the game I believe you can still make a decent living or side income. Certainly better than a gas station attendant or pizza delivery guy.
I guess I should have clarified that. I do think there's a good chance there will still be ample opportunity in poker down the road and it can still be lucrative relative to alternative options for a lot of people, provided it fades all the possible D-Day scenarios like bots, legal issues, etc.. However, I believe that the big money opportunities are very much dwindling.
I think it will likely still be very possible to make 6 figures a year with hard work and dedication. But for those that have crushed for some big years in online poker, to think that opportunity will still be there a few years from now is pretty naive in my opinion. The lack of "available" money at high stakes now is very apparent. Far fewer games run, less people are willing to gamble, the players that are are much better, virtually no fish, fear of MAing or other shadiness, etcetc.. It's also very apparent that the sites recognize how bad high stakes is for their bottom line, and thus we have the euro sites eliminating 10/20+, Stars being Zoom only (where they rake a ton), etcetc..
thank you Sean for your contribution to RIO, big lost on theory vids even if I'm MTT player, it helps me a lot. I ask a question related to the 1 hour per day, so I've got 2 weeks to refresh my mind and start to study MTT in a good way to be a winner in this variant. what would be the topics and area to focus on? so 14 hours to go back on track?
I'm certainly not the one to ask about MTT strategy so I would advise you to ask one of the RIO pros that specialize in that form of the game. My guess would be that they'll tell you to study push/fold strategy for perfect ranges regarding stacks being effectively small/short. Know what a good resteal range is for BTN vs. MP with 17bb effective, etcetc..
Sean now that I have watched the video, I have a question for you: If a persons real world opportunities are limited (screwed up schooling, and made poor life choices early on) do you think poker can still be a viable alternative to toiling away at mediocre jobs? The reason I am asking is I don't have much in the way of job prospects, I could work my ass off in a factory for little pay and maybe earn a tiny retirement fund but I will never be able to make good money. I love poker and work hard on my game and have been doing well - I will likely play some form of poker till the day I die, will I always play full time? Probably not, but since my options are limited and I can make more money playing 100nl than I could in a factory I plan on giving poker my best shot over the next few years, what I would like to have happen is get to mid to high(low high) stakes, save some money and use the money I make and save from playing poker to invest in other areas (real estate, stocks, businesses, etc.) so that in a few years poker won't be only or even main source of income. Do you think poker is a good idea for someone like me? I just can't see myself working in a factory! But I do understand that making a fortune in poker is not really something that one should expect. I feel f I work hard and am smart w/ my money it still gives me my best chance to have a better life than I could otherwise have.
Thanks for the videos and thanks in advance for taking the time to read this and if you do thanks for responding.
Read my response to So_Nitty.. I should have clarified that I meant the big money opportunities are dwindling in poker, specifically online. I think it will still be very possible to make a nice living with poker down the road, I just don't think it's very realistic to expect to get mega rich from poker in the future.
What is the fastest way to swich from NL to PLO?? What would you advice to 5$/10$ NL SH reg? Stakes to play plo,programs,videos, own analysis? Btw i think your videos was the best, gl
Honestly I have trouble answering this question because the rake is so bad at low/mid stakes PLO that I'm not sure how viable it is to start there and work your way up, which would otherwise be my first suggestion. It really takes a while to understand the intricacies of PLO when most of your poker knowledge comes from NL. PLO is a far more dynamic game with respect to equities and ranges and how everything can change drastically from street to street. Make sure you're not carrying over your NL habits to PLO, and try to think about every situation objectively. Getting familiar with ProPokerTools is going to help a lot. I'm not sure if there's any tutorials out there, but learning how to input ranges is essentially like learning a new coding language. It's not easy at first but eventually you get better at it and can create some rough models for situations. And of course, the RIO PLO pros are all great players and thinkers so watching all of those videos should help you out and give you some direction.
They are all good but I would say start with "Pot-Limit Omaha Poker / The Big Play Strategy". It goes over all of the wraps which are extremely important/mandatory to know. It also gives you some guidelines to keep you out of trouble when first starting... ie AA is a drawing hand, dangers of underfulls etc.
if villains entire range is a bluffcatcher vs our valuerange, isn't our optimal betsize OTR all-in given that it allows us to bluff a bigger portion of our hands, at which point we can simply simplify our strat to jamming our entire range as no one will pay close enough attention in practice
I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean but your first notion is true, yes. However, in practice it's virtually impossible for this to be the case. Even in very drastic cases where thresholds seem very clear without any merging, there will always exist some non-zero chance that villain can show up with a hand you won't expect. So in practice, we tend to hedge our bets by "betting big" with overbets and not necessarily going all-in, given that the marginal value gained for our range by jamming likely isn't worth the risk in the event we might have made a mistake in evaluating the situation. When we bet 2x pot and have a bluffing frequency of 40%, betting 5x pot risks 3x more pot for only a marginal increase in our bluffing frequency given that it can only ever get as big as 50%. So my advice is generally that you can choose your overbet size in correlation to how clear and certain you think the situation is {nuts,bluffs} vs. {bluffcatchers} for the sake of hedging yourself yet still taking advantage of the situation.
Great series, Sean. As good as guys like you and Koon are at playing/teaching poker, it's the life advice you give that I find the most invaluable - you're both true life crushers and your thoughts/tips in this area will be missed.
I have a question, but it's to do with the concept of 'R' that you introduced in a previous video wayyyy back. I figured with this being your last series this was as good a place as any to pose it. [If anyone else wants to chime in w/ their thoughts, please, feel free]
The majority of the highlighted above I understand, but I was hoping you could elaborate a bit on why R for EACH specific hand in our range goes DOWN the WIDER we defend. Is it to do with having to play more strong hands in a passive manner on earlier streets to protect our numerous marginal holdings, thereby allowing our opponent to realize more EQ w/ his/her own range? Is it that simple?
Great question. I should start by saying that I'm not 100% certain that this is the case, but I am pretty sure as it makes sense to me intuitively.
I think the key is relativity. Let's say both us and our opponent has a range of the top 40% of hands. Our opponent has both position and initiative, so he's going to have a slightly higher R%. He's going to realize (100+X)%, we're going to realize (100-X)%.
Now, if we add the next 10% tier of hands to our range such that we now have the top 50% of hands, we can see how the situation for each of our individual holdings changes slightly. Previously, hands like 97s were at the bottom of our range and now we have hands like 85s in our range. I think because these weaker hands are going to on average flop less equity, it effectively has a bit of a drag effect on some of our stronger/medium holdings as they now shift within our range a bit. Essentially, we're going to flop more hands that will not win at showdown and thus have to fold or bluff.. and this has implications for how we must now play some of our stronger/medium hands. As a result, our opponent will now realize (100+X+Y)% while we realize (100-X-Y)%, where the Y% lost is spread incrementally among all the holdings in our range.
I think there may exist some exceptions to this rule, however. For example.. if our range was previously {AA-QQ/AK} and we now add {T9s}, we now have a lot better board coverage and thus the T9s can help the other hands in our range realize more equity as they are now slightly less vulnerable on certain boards. This is obviously an extreme case but I think the principle is worth taking note of. Once we establish that both ranges are relatively plentiful and dynamic for most board textures (ie. the 40% vs. 40% example), I think the over-riding factor is the playability of the hands we add to the range (that opponent does not have in his range) and how the rest of our range must adjust to make up for it.
Hope that helps.. I should have prefaced this with saying that it's been a long time since I've done much thinking within the context of using R. I think it's a really useful concept but for my progress as a player recently, it hasn't been an important topic.
I only want to say: Thank You so much, you helped me and a lot of other people to improve their games. You are a great teacher and I hope a comeback from you. :)
Thanks Sean. We are going to miss your quality here. You helped me with a lot of technical parts of the game and also with lifestyle/happiness/goals. You seem like a great all around guy. Keep working hard and updating your blog. Wish you the best of luck going forward. Cheers.
You mention that you want to make sure that u have proper frequencies. Well I know one thing for sure: my fold vs cbet is way too high both IP and OOP (OOP like 55%, IP like 48%). How would you work on this? I mean simply start to call more is not going to solve it.
Like I made a thread here when my wwsf was 40 and my fold to cbet was even higher. Sauce mentioned it was a leak and I started working on it with a coach, now my fold vs cbet is lower and last 15k hands my wwsf is 44.7. That said I am clearly still not where I want to be, so some advice how to improve this more would be appreciated.
Also thanks for all your vids here, did learn a lot from them.
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GTO simplified
BTW, thanks alot for your work !Thanks very much and best wishes from a new member. Going to go back and study your videos from the beginning. Why don't you think there will be good opportunities in poker in the future? Everyone is going to get too good?
I hear this a lot "Everyone is going to be too good and the games will be unbeatable" but as long as the fish are there you will still be able to profit. It likely won't ever be like it was 2006-2009 ever again but with hard work, dedication and a passion for the game I believe you can still make a decent living or side income. Certainly better than a gas station attendant or pizza delivery guy.
I guess I should have clarified that. I do think there's a good chance there will still be ample opportunity in poker down the road and it can still be lucrative relative to alternative options for a lot of people, provided it fades all the possible D-Day scenarios like bots, legal issues, etc.. However, I believe that the big money opportunities are very much dwindling.
I think it will likely still be very possible to make 6 figures a year with hard work and dedication. But for those that have crushed for some big years in online poker, to think that opportunity will still be there a few years from now is pretty naive in my opinion. The lack of "available" money at high stakes now is very apparent. Far fewer games run, less people are willing to gamble, the players that are are much better, virtually no fish, fear of MAing or other shadiness, etcetc.. It's also very apparent that the sites recognize how bad high stakes is for their bottom line, and thus we have the euro sites eliminating 10/20+, Stars being Zoom only (where they rake a ton), etcetc..
thank you Sean for your contribution to RIO, big lost on theory vids even if I'm MTT player, it helps me a lot. I ask a question related to the 1 hour per day, so I've got 2 weeks to refresh my mind and start to study MTT in a good way to be a winner in this variant. what would be the topics and area to focus on? so 14 hours to go back on track?
I'm certainly not the one to ask about MTT strategy so I would advise you to ask one of the RIO pros that specialize in that form of the game. My guess would be that they'll tell you to study push/fold strategy for perfect ranges regarding stacks being effectively small/short. Know what a good resteal range is for BTN vs. MP with 17bb effective, etcetc..
Sean now that I have watched the video, I have a question for you: If a persons real world opportunities are limited (screwed up schooling, and made poor life choices early on) do you think poker can still be a viable alternative to toiling away at mediocre jobs? The reason I am asking is I don't have much in the way of job prospects, I could work my ass off in a factory for little pay and maybe earn a tiny retirement fund but I will never be able to make good money. I love poker and work hard on my game and have been doing well - I will likely play some form of poker till the day I die, will I always play full time? Probably not, but since my options are limited and I can make more money playing 100nl than I could in a factory I plan on giving poker my best shot over the next few years, what I would like to have happen is get to mid to high(low high) stakes, save some money and use the money I make and save from playing poker to invest in other areas (real estate, stocks, businesses, etc.) so that in a few years poker won't be only or even main source of income. Do you think poker is a good idea for someone like me? I just can't see myself working in a factory! But I do understand that making a fortune in poker is not really something that one should expect. I feel f I work hard and am smart w/ my money it still gives me my best chance to have a better life than I could otherwise have.
Thanks for the videos and thanks in advance for taking the time to read this and if you do thanks for responding.
Read my response to So_Nitty.. I should have clarified that I meant the big money opportunities are dwindling in poker, specifically online. I think it will still be very possible to make a nice living with poker down the road, I just don't think it's very realistic to expect to get mega rich from poker in the future.
What is the fastest way to swich from NL to PLO?? What would you advice to 5$/10$ NL SH reg? Stakes to play plo,programs,videos, own analysis? Btw i think your videos was the best, gl
Honestly I have trouble answering this question because the rake is so bad at low/mid stakes PLO that I'm not sure how viable it is to start there and work your way up, which would otherwise be my first suggestion. It really takes a while to understand the intricacies of PLO when most of your poker knowledge comes from NL. PLO is a far more dynamic game with respect to equities and ranges and how everything can change drastically from street to street. Make sure you're not carrying over your NL habits to PLO, and try to think about every situation objectively. Getting familiar with ProPokerTools is going to help a lot. I'm not sure if there's any tutorials out there, but learning how to input ranges is essentially like learning a new coding language. It's not easy at first but eventually you get better at it and can create some rough models for situations. And of course, the RIO PLO pros are all great players and thinkers so watching all of those videos should help you out and give you some direction.
Read Jeff Hwangs books on PLO.. excellent start. +1 on ProPokerTools.
I think there is such a bigger edge in PLO at the moment that you can totally discount/cover the high rake Sean mentioned.
They are all good but I would say start with "Pot-Limit Omaha Poker / The Big Play Strategy". It goes over all of the wraps which are extremely important/mandatory to know. It also gives you some guidelines to keep you out of trouble when first starting... ie AA is a drawing hand, dangers of underfulls etc.
if villains entire range is a bluffcatcher vs our valuerange, isn't our optimal betsize OTR all-in given that it allows us to bluff a bigger portion of our hands, at which point we can simply simplify our strat to jamming our entire range as no one will pay close enough attention in practice
I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean but your first notion is true, yes. However, in practice it's virtually impossible for this to be the case. Even in very drastic cases where thresholds seem very clear without any merging, there will always exist some non-zero chance that villain can show up with a hand you won't expect. So in practice, we tend to hedge our bets by "betting big" with overbets and not necessarily going all-in, given that the marginal value gained for our range by jamming likely isn't worth the risk in the event we might have made a mistake in evaluating the situation. When we bet 2x pot and have a bluffing frequency of 40%, betting 5x pot risks 3x more pot for only a marginal increase in our bluffing frequency given that it can only ever get as big as 50%. So my advice is generally that you can choose your overbet size in correlation to how clear and certain you think the situation is {nuts,bluffs} vs. {bluffcatchers} for the sake of hedging yourself yet still taking advantage of the situation.
entire range meaning all the hands under "valuerange" and "nothing"
Great series, Sean. As good as guys like you and Koon are at playing/teaching poker, it's the life advice you give that I find the most invaluable - you're both true life crushers and your thoughts/tips in this area will be missed.
I have a question, but it's to do with the concept of 'R' that you introduced in a previous video wayyyy back. I figured with this being your last series this was as good a place as any to pose it. [If anyone else wants to chime in w/ their thoughts, please, feel free]

The majority of the highlighted above I understand, but I was hoping you could elaborate a bit on why R for EACH specific hand in our range goes DOWN the WIDER we defend. Is it to do with having to play more strong hands in a passive manner on earlier streets to protect our numerous marginal holdings, thereby allowing our opponent to realize more EQ w/ his/her own range? Is it that simple?Great question. I should start by saying that I'm not 100% certain that this is the case, but I am pretty sure as it makes sense to me intuitively.
I think the key is relativity. Let's say both us and our opponent has a range of the top 40% of hands. Our opponent has both position and initiative, so he's going to have a slightly higher R%. He's going to realize (100+X)%, we're going to realize (100-X)%.
Now, if we add the next 10% tier of hands to our range such that we now have the top 50% of hands, we can see how the situation for each of our individual holdings changes slightly. Previously, hands like 97s were at the bottom of our range and now we have hands like 85s in our range. I think because these weaker hands are going to on average flop less equity, it effectively has a bit of a drag effect on some of our stronger/medium holdings as they now shift within our range a bit. Essentially, we're going to flop more hands that will not win at showdown and thus have to fold or bluff.. and this has implications for how we must now play some of our stronger/medium hands. As a result, our opponent will now realize (100+X+Y)% while we realize (100-X-Y)%, where the Y% lost is spread incrementally among all the holdings in our range.
I think there may exist some exceptions to this rule, however. For example.. if our range was previously {AA-QQ/AK} and we now add {T9s}, we now have a lot better board coverage and thus the T9s can help the other hands in our range realize more equity as they are now slightly less vulnerable on certain boards. This is obviously an extreme case but I think the principle is worth taking note of. Once we establish that both ranges are relatively plentiful and dynamic for most board textures (ie. the 40% vs. 40% example), I think the over-riding factor is the playability of the hands we add to the range (that opponent does not have in his range) and how the rest of our range must adjust to make up for it.
Hope that helps.. I should have prefaced this with saying that it's been a long time since I've done much thinking within the context of using R. I think it's a really useful concept but for my progress as a player recently, it hasn't been an important topic.
Dear Lefort,
I only want to say: Thank You so much, you helped me and a lot of other people to improve their games. You are a great teacher and I hope a comeback from you. :)
Best greets from Germany
Thanks for the kind words. GL Germany, and congratz on the Cup. :)
Thanks Sean. We are going to miss your quality here. You helped me with a lot of technical parts of the game and also with lifestyle/happiness/goals. You seem like a great all around guy. Keep working hard and updating your blog. Wish you the best of luck going forward. Cheers.
You mention that you want to make sure that u have proper frequencies. Well I know one thing for sure: my fold vs cbet is way too high both IP and OOP (OOP like 55%, IP like 48%). How would you work on this? I mean simply start to call more is not going to solve it.
Like I made a thread here when my wwsf was 40 and my fold to cbet was even higher. Sauce mentioned it was a leak and I started working on it with a coach, now my fold vs cbet is lower and last 15k hands my wwsf is 44.7. That said I am clearly still not where I want to be, so some advice how to improve this more would be appreciated.
Also thanks for all your vids here, did learn a lot from them.
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