Exploitive Play
Posted by Cory Mikesell
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Would really like to see a video with basic Monker pre flop outputs for 6m at 40bb, 100bb, and 250bb. Just showing equilibrium pre flop play at each stack size (rfi, 3bet, cold call, etc). I'm not sure what size cpu you run your sims on but I'm using 256gb ram and it takes me about a month to run a pretty complex HU sim. Solving for these 6m sims would take many months so getting the info here would save a lot of time.
@ jdstl
Okay, I will see what I can do for a future video. I have a 128gig machine myself so it's hard to go beyond 4 max for 100bb, but I can at least do analysis of that.
Damn. Yeah it's brutal trying to find more processing power than that. It'll cost ~10k to put together a CPU with ~512gb and if you went for 1024 you're probably looking upwards of 20. But yeah even if you could solve 3-4h pre flop ranges that could at least give some initial insight.
Right, I got a PC with 128gigs of ram for 4.5k USD. There are also some upward bounds on the usefulness of huge amount of ram. From what I understand there are diminishing returns when you exceed a certain amount of ram.
Is FB any flush blocker or certain high ones?
what probe size did you use?
SD means showdown value or straight draw?
40:30 [probing villain] "He raised the turn in a spot where he should never raise the turn - I need to extend my river value betting and bluffing range" Are you saying that OOP villain needs to make this logical connection: hero has a turn raising range here>hero's turn calling range is possibly weaker than the population and capped versus population uncapped>I need to extend my river vbet and bluff freq?
this video was awesome and I hope for more of #5 Visualizing equilibrium strategies
I particularly like the discussion on all the different routes we can take to exploit what we have observed. I play almost exclusively on Ignition (Bovada) 6max and I think what you bring to the table is exactly what this site needs. I would really like to see more discussion using the outputs from monkersolver...and I think it is unnecessary to show us the actual monker output as it is so beautifully displayed by whatever program this is you used to bucket the different hand categories.
only issue I had is that the side-by-side comparison of the strategies makes it too small to read the hand category description. When you flashed it back & forth that worked better.
again, great video, PLEASE more of the same
Hi Nittyoldman,
FB means flush blocker, if I want to indicate specific flush blockers I'll use something like NFB (nut flush blocker) or 2nd NFB etc
SD stands for straight draw
40:30--Yes that is exactly what I mean. Of course IP could raise a range of exclusively bluffs in which case his turn calling range won't be capped, but until I know the structure of the raising range itself, I won't assume it's so wildly unbalanced. In that case the only exploitive data point I have is that IP is raising in a spot where he should slow play the nuts. That leads me to conclude that his range will generally be weaker OTR which will allow me to value bet more thinly and add bluffs as OOP
Thanks for the feedback regarding the size of the side by side graphs, I wasn't sure whether they would be easy to look at or not. I will flash back and forwards in the future.
I missed part of your question. I used pot as the probe size. I've found that really big or really small sizes are often preferred by the solver and other times all sizes are relatively equal in value
Fantastic video. Welcome to the team!
I really enjoyed this video as a NLHE player. Are you only planning on only making PLO content?
Hi Quido,
I will primarily make PLO content, but since monkersolver also allows us to solve PLO8/O8, it might be fun to tackle those games later on at some point. If people were really interested in some NLH content, I could probably do that too, but would likely pick some version of the game that isn't well studied. 20-40bb HUNL would be an interesting challenge for instance. I would also bet that there are decent edges available there.
Sounds great!
Wonderful insights, thank you very much.
One thing I would like you to address is the issue of how you monitor / implement your frequencies. Clearly relatively subtle frequency changes (from a human standpoint) occur as a response to large strategy changes. As you pointed out, often the same hands are involved while frequencies shift. How do you implement the strategy changes in an effective fashion --- one humans can implement on the fly? Is this further complicated if the frequencies are very stack size dependent? How does one process all this information in a meaningful fashion that still captures some of the quantitive benefit?
Thank you again, the video stimulated a lot of thought for me.
Hi Brian,
Those are challenging and important questions. Here's my methodology:
When learning about a new topic whether it's poker or in life, I like to start with the widest, most simplified view and then burrow down into the complexity.
Initially, I just want to know what my range vs range equity and betting frequency are.
Then I want to know roughly what the shape of my strategy is in a particular spot. For instance, when a 3 straight hits the turn after the flop has checked through, the strategy graphs will often have a similar shape. That plus the knowledge that a particular card is good for me (usually implying that I get to bet more) allows me to begin the process of regulating my frequencies.
Next, I look for particular patterns within the graph. How are pure made hands (bare bottom two) playing vs how are multi-component hands (Bottom Pair+NFD) playing? How is air playing and what qualities make one hand a better air bluff? This further refines the my understanding. Since multicomponent hands retain their equity well vs most things, they are often the first hands that get added to exploitive bluffing or value ranges so those become the "dials of exploitation" that get adjusted first.
From there, I will go back to the solver to see how it employs particular blockers and adjust how I select those based on how capped I think my opponent is.
Lastly, I'll look at my stats to see if I'm under defending a particular spot and make a note of that. Next time I face a cbet and know that I've been overfolding slightly, I'll consider calling with one of those "close" hands.
It's really hard to nail frequencies exactly in PLO. If you start by just identifying which type of hand to add to an extended x/r range, I think you'll go farther than worrying about the difference between a 90% and 80% frequency.
Hopefully that gives you some ideas about executing in PLO. I would strongly encourage you to apply the first three steps everywhere in your game before going further down the rabbit hole.
Hi, I vote for the NL to PLO conversion !
Tx for your 3rd great content video on RIO
Nice video, i would like Hu plo next:)
Awesome content, the graphs illustrated the ranges very well.
I vote short stacked 6max!
amazing video, I've been thinking a lot about employing various kinds of different exploits vs population tendency's of 2/5z. even though the players are good I feel like there is a ton of EV to be made if you really think outside of the box and have a bit of a different strategy than the average good reg. you introduced some concepts and idea's that would for sure make a lot of money in these games.
I would volunteer to be the NL to PLO guy fwiw :P
a brighter background, or white one even, is better for me as it allows me to focus better but not a big deal as I'm still gonna listen anyways :P
and visualizing equilibrium strategies would be a cool next vid.
great intro and welcome officially to the site xD
and I really like how you seem to have been brought in as a Theory coach, there are, in my opinion, far too many coaches who just fire out zoom video after zoom video with no thought or effort. you could literally go back and watch their first and latest video and they would be almost identical.
where as this stuff is just gold if you are really trying to improve how you think about and approach the game. I was gonna end my sub tbh but definitely staying now!
Thanks for the kind words Demondoink! I will most likely stick to an exclusively theoretical approach since there is a lot of live play content out there. Always feel free to share ideas on what you would like to see. I've been making a log of video ideas and will try to get to as many as possible.
I vote for the visualizing equilibrium strategies
Okay, my next video will be a deep dive into the theory of a specific spot, but after that I will do one specifically on visualizing equilibrium strategies
Great video Cory. Good addition to the RIO team.
I really like the background of the presentation.
I would like to see:
1-Short 6max
2-NLH to PLO
3- Equilibrium Strat!
Keep the good work!
Thanks
Thanks man, I will keep them coming!
Welcome!
Very nice video!
I love the dark background, because i usually watch pokervideos and fall asleep.
haha I meant to mention that in the video as one of the reasons why I chose the darker background. Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. After reading your book, great content is exactly what I was expecting from your vids. Best addition to Runitonce by far in 2018.
Welcome, great vid !
Would like to see topic .3 :)
I love your content and am sure I can benefit from whichever path you chose to teach. I am really looking forward to future plo8 content!
Thanks so much guys, I'm really glad to hear you're enjoying the content.
Really cool and enlightening video! I like the black background and the presentation style. Here's a vote for #2, #5 and #6 (100bbs+ SH/HU basically).
Great job Cory, must be nice that all that visualizing you did in chess pays dividends elsewhere!
Thanks man!
Haha perhaps all of the blindfold chess I used to play was actually a great training tool for poker. That would compensate for the time I fell out of the chair trying to stand up with a blindfold on.
Great work, I was waiting for this kinda stuff here!
Would like to see:
2) HU PLO
5) Visualing equilibrium strategies (specifically on dry paired boards).
Also would like to know optimal cbet sizings in SRPs OOP/IP on various flops and same for IP 3betted.
hu plo has my vote. great video btw
I watched your second video and then came here to watch this! This is great content, I loved the presentation style and of your options, I would vote for 2/5.
Hi Cory,
Would it be possible to do a tutorial on how to use monker solver to view PLO spots? I just bought it however it's quite complex...
I could certainly make a video discussing how to use Monkersolver. My main concern would be whether that would be too basic of a video for the RIO audience. I will ask Phil what he thinks. Also if members would like to see a video covering how to use monkersolver, how I make my charts etc, "like" this comment. If I get 10+ "likes" I will do it unless Phil thinks it's a terrible idea.
Also feel free to PM me and we cover how to use it in a 1 on 1 session. I also give these for free to guys who have bought my book.
I would go as far as this is the best video ever made on RIO about PLO at least, good job!
Thanks! I appreciate it a lot!
Grat video man. Do you consider to make a hand review to show more practical examples for both HU and 6max games ?
Hey man, I've made a couple videos like this in my "catalog" but I was thinking about making another one for one of my last videos so stay tuned!
This is one of my favorite vids on RunitOnce, and I dont even play PLO.
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