Evaluating Contributors to Range Advantage (Part 2)

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Evaluating Contributors to Range Advantage (Part 2)

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Zachary Freeman

POSTED Jan 18, 2017

Zach finishes up his analysis of various flop strategies concerning a live NLHE hand.

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Fox 111 8 years, 1 month ago

Yo zach, great video thanks !

I'm thinking about something,
maybe this results are still a bit incomplete because of later street

I mean GTO-wise we apparantly should check a lot OTF because of disadvantage, and even with vilain's strategy and our strategy locked on the flop, these same disadvantages are still going to get carried OTT and then OTT we will have to check nearly range or face a lot of raise again (i guess) from the GTO strategy given the ranges
But again the player in reality will not be as aware of that and will not play as well his advantage OTT (in the exact same way of what you just did here for vilain OTF)

Basically what i'm saying is that the same situation that we had OTF is gonna reappear OTT, and then if we would actually locked all strategies for later street as vilain would play and not as GTO with perfect clairvoyance is going to play, we would be able to bet way more (as opposed to what i would expect to be a lot of checking strategy OTT for OOP) on later streets
And these changes i think will also make betting more OTF better

What do you think about that ?

Zachary Freeman 8 years, 1 month ago

I'm unable to understand your comments /questions perfectly. Are you implying that OTT we will have to check a lot once flop gets bet and we call? Or when it goes check check? If it goes check check we no longer have a disadvantage but rather an advantage and can bet liberally.
If we x/c flop yes we still have a disadvantage and will likely have to check 100% OTT. No way around that without making exploitive adjustments. But as long as we keep a lot of strong bluff catchers in our range we will have plenty to defend with which means that bluffing turn often will be unprofitable for them. Recall that their range advantage isn't enormous but we are checking due to a small range disadvantage and a position disadvantage.

Fox 111 8 years, 1 month ago

Yea not really clear i agree haha

I guess we have more disadvantage OTT if we cbet like 50% OTF with the locked range than if we check range flop, not sure about that but seems logic
And then the GTO strat will have to check more OTT if we have a cbet strat OTF because of that
But we could be betting more OTT because in reality vilain is not gonna play as aggressively his advantage as he should, in the exact same manner as what you just did for the flop here

That's what i meant, i hope it's more clear like this
i'm talking about the Pio strategy and tree OTT (and OTR) when we do have an exploitative cbet strategies and range locked OTF, maybe that was the part missing to make it more clear what i'm talking about

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