I think if you have a read that he is a maniac and might jam some random garbage you can bet/call here. I feel like randoms in the million won't really do that tho and they probably have a strong range to begin with after flatting from his stack size.
28 min: Yeah it seems like there was a long stretch of me just folding. Blinds are up from 300/600 to 600/1200 so it is possible to be blinded down getting no cards.
we get almost exactly 3 to 1 pot odds. gotta call 1911 into 5751. Did you add our stacksize to it? It is not like we are going to stack him every time we hit a set.
Yes, I counted implied odds for whole stack. We hit a set about 1 time of 8 situations. Do u think 16,5:1 to call is insufficient? It's 3bet pot - his range is gonna be kind of strong, so we dont necessary need say 20:1, I guess. may be Iam wrong tho :|
If I got this right we need to win 9555 (we get ~3-1 direct odds, we are 1 of 8 to hit, therefore need to make 5 more of 1911 (5x1911=9555) on avg postflop when we hit to BE. Rly don't know if this is the right way to do this, would love correction if Im wrong.) We are 24193 effective post. It seems kind of doable given even when he misses he will prob cbet into a pot of 7662, and when he has the blade prob stacks off for the full 24193.
I prefer to see all hands and stats. It makes it much more interesting to see dynamics and playing patterns from everyone at the tables, because then its easyer to follow your reasoning for making the decisions you do.
Also I dont mind if the series you make are longer. Ill rather quality analys for each hand, than quickly aotupilot reasoning.
Maybe not sure if this is the right place to do it. But may I request maybe some ideas for future videos. Some more theory stuff would be great once in a while between live.
Maybe some theory series on subjects such as Push/fold, Preflop range/strategy, ICM and so on. I would love too see your take on those subjects. Maybe each subject could be a 2-3 part video. Anyway just a sugestion :-)
I too liked the way you played the Q4s your analys was exactly to the point.
One Hand i was not a big fan of is opening 33 from EP with those stack sizes at table ( But I admit I am also a nit)
How I see it when you open 33 there are a rejam stacks you will have to call off ( might not be the end of the world with a PP, but his range crush you), Also like it actually happened you cant do anything other than fold if you get 3B by a larger stack, and If someone flats you will sit with a crap hand OOP when there are likely no good flops. Especially since if one player flat its likely the blinds may come in also for the good price or that someone think its a good spot to squeeze. So you will end in a multiway pot where you cant Cbet profitable so often as you would want too
Anyway I may see it from a negative perspective, because there are ofcourse also good things about opening.
You can take the blinds fairly often when everyone folds, or win the pot with a Cbet on many textures if HU. You can hit a monster with a set and have a well disguised hand and so on.
So maybe I am just a bit to nitty generally when I would just muck that hand my self. This is one reason it would be cool if you could someday make a Video on preflop range/strategy.
Thanks for feedback! As always, people like different things, someone else said they like to see only my hands, you want to see all so it seems like my plan of doing different things in different parts of this series will work out well.
I am not the best at theory/powerpoint/deep math stuff, but I will take it into consideration.
About opening small pairs EP it is something I don't always do and might actually be a little leak of mine. I checked my database after your comment and I do indeed lose slightly from EP with 22-55 over a pretty small sample (4k hands) with less than 50bb. the loss is -5.03bb/100 with a vpip of 60. If we assume there is an ante most of the time or about half of the time with stacks less than 50bb in todays mtts, we lose between -10bb/100 and -20bb/100 depending on the size of the ante by folding and giving it up. So by this sample of about a year playing mtts I guess you can say I'm doing slightly better or about break even playing them. I don't know what sort of sample you need to find out exactly, but I think it gives us at least an idea.
You 3bet and cbet AK (17 min) and AQ (22min). Not sure how much sense that makes on those boards because we get called by every better hand and fold out many dominated hands. Especially combined with giving after the cbet I think we are burning money. Isnt 3- barrelling (ak board) or check calling to bluff catch (aq board) a much better play?
I think I like barreling the AK or check back is a slightly better option especially after seeing results ofc. with AQ I like throwing a little bet out there. If we do check our range feels sort of face up. Do you want to c/c 1 bet or check call all of it? It just seems like we are giving him a chance to win by bluffing or draw out on us with worse hands and be able to play his midpairs for max value to protect bluffs against our somewhat faceup hand.
1. How you define what range you can get it in pre with diffrent stack sizes, like in 7:50 you with AJ on BU telling you can get it in here easily with AJ, but I want to know what other hands we can play for stacks here and what profit shows our different holdings by doin that. So how you know it? Maybe there is some program to count on that. I know Short Stacking Calculator is a soft for similar spots, but I didn't use it, but maybe you do? If not tell me how you define that.
2. 16:00 You ch/c w/ J9 on 97x Flop. Question: What scenario should be to get it in on the flop compared to check/calling? I mean it's a common play to ch/c in these spots, but I think (correct me if I'm wrong) it depends only on a stack to pot ratio? Like if the pot is big enough (but I don't know what the size is "big enough") we should take the risk of sometimes runnning into a better hand (still having a decent equity) but more often taking down it right there and 1. not giving oponent a free card on the turn 2. not giving a free card on the river if he decides to ch/back turn. 3. not letting him to barrel us of of the best hand on variuos turn card and so on. I think it still should be done versus opponents who has wide opening ranges. But what you think when it comes more profitable to ch/raise then ch/c? And how much we can win taking this line vs hom often we are losing using most common ch/c line?
3. I really want to see all of your hands. No need to play every hand from start to end, but just to see what hands you have folded would be great! Cause I have a trouble by playing too many of them I think so would love to see some laying down in some spots :-)
1. It really depends on your opponent. People tend to shove on button 3bets because the power of them is that they always have position. So we can be wide for value and wide with bluffs. I think simply by 3betting and calling AJ here we are going to profit almost automatically from his wide opening range. It is really hard for him to combat. I have not used any software or program to figure it out, but you can just imagine if he is opening wide (his stats suggests he is a reg so he prob will) that he will shove and get it in bad sometimes or if not, just give up too often. Either way we are probably profiting. I don't have any history with this guy in particular so I think I prefer calling to keep more of his dominated hands in(not sure if he jams too wide on us with no history). I guess you can call it experience. If someone have software/stats to prove me wrong I would love to see it to better my own play. I guess you could set it up in ICMIZER, but it is hard to know exact ranges without knowing the player too much.
2. You are correct, it does depend on the stack to pot ratio. I am not sure exactly what you mean with your questions. I guess you want to know at which exact point does the pot become big enough to ch/r get it in vs c/c basically. The answer to that is not really easy to give. I would say, if you need a number, if he had about 4x (8k) the pot otf. It gives him enough room to think he has FE, and doesnt make his bluff overly expensive (like now it seems a bit much to shove 13k with say two overs when I make it 2k).
you are making some good points about why ch/raising can be better at lower spr. One thing I want to add is that he might shove some worse sdv hands than our if we raise, but check back and try to get to showdown if we c/c flop. Talking about AK, A7, 88 etc + potentially some draws.
3. Cool, I like to always get more suggestions on how to make better videos. Hope you enjoyed it :)
About your ICMIZER settings, i think that it could be all wrong since we can see at 32:00 that you unchecked MTT (??) and put only 9 players while you should have checked it and entered the numbers of remaining players, the numbers of players itm, etc...
The thing with the "MTT" button is that you have to put in tournament considerations. How many players there were left, what average stack was, and total chips in play. It then gives you a more accurate answer with ICM considerations. Problem is I don't have this information now,, you really only have it at the time of play so all I can do is to look at the chip ev of something and if it is only slightly +chip, assume it is probably not good enough to make it. Hope that is good enough of an answer. I know it is sort of vague and you would like exact numbers on every decision, it is just not possible without the info the require you to put in, so Im giving educated guesses. If you do know all these things, you should put it in ofc and get better solutions.
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Hi, I have a question at 21min the AQs hand, with that spr on that flop is it good to raise fold our hand?
How big spr is worth to raise call with 2 overs?
At about 28 mins somehow you half your stack, and cant see in the video :)
Anyway good video again waiting the upcoming series.
I think if you have a read that he is a maniac and might jam some random garbage you can bet/call here. I feel like randoms in the million won't really do that tho and they probably have a strong range to begin with after flatting from his stack size.
28 min: Yeah it seems like there was a long stretch of me just folding. Blinds are up from 300/600 to 600/1200 so it is possible to be blinded down getting no cards.
"That's it tror jag" @ 14:10 made me lol. Otherwise pretty standard but good video!
ty :)
Loved the vid. Really liked the way you played the Q4 for value on the turn and not unnecessary slowplay. Looking forward to the next one!
Glad you liked it!
interesting series, sir)
26:00 / pocket 33: with deadmoney we got about 16,5 to 1. Still dont get why we can not set mine?
we get almost exactly 3 to 1 pot odds. gotta call 1911 into 5751. Did you add our stacksize to it? It is not like we are going to stack him every time we hit a set.
Yes, I counted implied odds for whole stack. We hit a set about 1 time of 8 situations. Do u think 16,5:1 to call is insufficient? It's 3bet pot - his range is gonna be kind of strong, so we dont necessary need say 20:1, I guess.
may be Iam wrong tho :|
If I got this right we need to win 9555 (we get ~3-1 direct odds, we are 1 of 8 to hit, therefore need to make 5 more of 1911 (5x1911=9555) on avg postflop when we hit to BE. Rly don't know if this is the right way to do this, would love correction if Im wrong.) We are 24193 effective post. It seems kind of doable given even when he misses he will prob cbet into a pot of 7662, and when he has the blade prob stacks off for the full 24193.
Nice video Espen :-)
I prefer to see all hands and stats. It makes it much more interesting to see dynamics and playing patterns from everyone at the tables, because then its easyer to follow your reasoning for making the decisions you do.
Also I dont mind if the series you make are longer. Ill rather quality analys for each hand, than quickly aotupilot reasoning.
Maybe not sure if this is the right place to do it. But may I request maybe some ideas for future videos. Some more theory stuff would be great once in a while between live.
Maybe some theory series on subjects such as Push/fold, Preflop range/strategy, ICM and so on. I would love too see your take on those subjects. Maybe each subject could be a 2-3 part video. Anyway just a sugestion :-)
I too liked the way you played the Q4s your analys was exactly to the point.
One Hand i was not a big fan of is opening 33 from EP with those stack sizes at table ( But I admit I am also a nit)
How I see it when you open 33 there are a rejam stacks you will have to call off ( might not be the end of the world with a PP, but his range crush you), Also like it actually happened you cant do anything other than fold if you get 3B by a larger stack, and If someone flats you will sit with a crap hand OOP when there are likely no good flops. Especially since if one player flat its likely the blinds may come in also for the good price or that someone think its a good spot to squeeze. So you will end in a multiway pot where you cant Cbet profitable so often as you would want too
Anyway I may see it from a negative perspective, because there are ofcourse also good things about opening.
You can take the blinds fairly often when everyone folds, or win the pot with a Cbet on many textures if HU. You can hit a monster with a set and have a well disguised hand and so on.
So maybe I am just a bit to nitty generally when I would just muck that hand my self. This is one reason it would be cool if you could someday make a Video on preflop range/strategy.
Thanks for feedback! As always, people like different things, someone else said they like to see only my hands, you want to see all so it seems like my plan of doing different things in different parts of this series will work out well.
I am not the best at theory/powerpoint/deep math stuff, but I will take it into consideration.
About opening small pairs EP it is something I don't always do and might actually be a little leak of mine. I checked my database after your comment and I do indeed lose slightly from EP with 22-55 over a pretty small sample (4k hands) with less than 50bb. the loss is -5.03bb/100 with a vpip of 60. If we assume there is an ante most of the time or about half of the time with stacks less than 50bb in todays mtts, we lose between -10bb/100 and -20bb/100 depending on the size of the ante by folding and giving it up. So by this sample of about a year playing mtts I guess you can say I'm doing slightly better or about break even playing them. I don't know what sort of sample you need to find out exactly, but I think it gives us at least an idea.
Hey Espen ncie vid!
You 3bet and cbet AK (17 min) and AQ (22min). Not sure how much sense that makes on those boards because we get called by every better hand and fold out many dominated hands. Especially combined with giving after the cbet I think we are burning money. Isnt 3- barrelling (ak board) or check calling to bluff catch (aq board) a much better play?
I think I like barreling the AK or check back is a slightly better option especially after seeing results ofc. with AQ I like throwing a little bet out there. If we do check our range feels sort of face up. Do you want to c/c 1 bet or check call all of it? It just seems like we are giving him a chance to win by bluffing or draw out on us with worse hands and be able to play his midpairs for max value to protect bluffs against our somewhat faceup hand.
Hi Espen,
1. How you define what range you can get it in pre with diffrent stack sizes, like in 7:50 you with AJ on BU telling you can get it in here easily with AJ, but I want to know what other hands we can play for stacks here and what profit shows our different holdings by doin that. So how you know it? Maybe there is some program to count on that. I know Short Stacking Calculator is a soft for similar spots, but I didn't use it, but maybe you do? If not tell me how you define that.
2. 16:00 You ch/c w/ J9 on 97x Flop. Question: What scenario should be to get it in on the flop compared to check/calling? I mean it's a common play to ch/c in these spots, but I think (correct me if I'm wrong) it depends only on a stack to pot ratio? Like if the pot is big enough (but I don't know what the size is "big enough") we should take the risk of sometimes runnning into a better hand (still having a decent equity) but more often taking down it right there and 1. not giving oponent a free card on the turn 2. not giving a free card on the river if he decides to ch/back turn. 3. not letting him to barrel us of of the best hand on variuos turn card and so on. I think it still should be done versus opponents who has wide opening ranges. But what you think when it comes more profitable to ch/raise then ch/c? And how much we can win taking this line vs hom often we are losing using most common ch/c line?
3. I really want to see all of your hands. No need to play every hand from start to end, but just to see what hands you have folded would be great! Cause I have a trouble by playing too many of them I think so would love to see some laying down in some spots :-)
Thanks
1. It really depends on your opponent. People tend to shove on button 3bets because the power of them is that they always have position. So we can be wide for value and wide with bluffs. I think simply by 3betting and calling AJ here we are going to profit almost automatically from his wide opening range. It is really hard for him to combat. I have not used any software or program to figure it out, but you can just imagine if he is opening wide (his stats suggests he is a reg so he prob will) that he will shove and get it in bad sometimes or if not, just give up too often. Either way we are probably profiting. I don't have any history with this guy in particular so I think I prefer calling to keep more of his dominated hands in(not sure if he jams too wide on us with no history). I guess you can call it experience. If someone have software/stats to prove me wrong I would love to see it to better my own play. I guess you could set it up in ICMIZER, but it is hard to know exact ranges without knowing the player too much.
2. You are correct, it does depend on the stack to pot ratio. I am not sure exactly what you mean with your questions. I guess you want to know at which exact point does the pot become big enough to ch/r get it in vs c/c basically. The answer to that is not really easy to give. I would say, if you need a number, if he had about 4x (8k) the pot otf. It gives him enough room to think he has FE, and doesnt make his bluff overly expensive (like now it seems a bit much to shove 13k with say two overs when I make it 2k).
you are making some good points about why ch/raising can be better at lower spr. One thing I want to add is that he might shove some worse sdv hands than our if we raise, but check back and try to get to showdown if we c/c flop. Talking about AK, A7, 88 etc + potentially some draws.
3. Cool, I like to always get more suggestions on how to make better videos. Hope you enjoyed it :)
About your ICMIZER settings, i think that it could be all wrong since we can see at 32:00 that you unchecked MTT (??) and put only 9 players while you should have checked it and entered the numbers of remaining players, the numbers of players itm, etc...
Can you confirm this ?
The thing with the "MTT" button is that you have to put in tournament considerations. How many players there were left, what average stack was, and total chips in play. It then gives you a more accurate answer with ICM considerations. Problem is I don't have this information now,, you really only have it at the time of play so all I can do is to look at the chip ev of something and if it is only slightly +chip, assume it is probably not good enough to make it. Hope that is good enough of an answer. I know it is sort of vague and you would like exact numbers on every decision, it is just not possible without the info the require you to put in, so Im giving educated guesses. If you do know all these things, you should put it in ofc and get better solutions.
in icmizer, currently you can only analyze mtt icm situations with 60 players left. so outside of 60 players you'll still have to stick with cEV.
17:35 what would you do to a 4bet ?
Shoving
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