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Improving Your Exploit Skills (part 5)

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POSTED Jan 12, 2015

DjuNKeLL continues his series starting with a power point and following it up with real hands that demonstrate the concepts discussed in the first part of the video.

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CRcrusher 10 years, 3 months ago

Hi DJUNKELL,

I enjoyed your video!

Did you write your on own notes in Notecaddy
or do you know a good site to buy notes?

Thank you very much for your response.

DjuNKeLL 10 years, 3 months ago

Hey CRcrusher, thanks! I made them all myself. I´m sure you´ll be able to make them on your own as well if you watch their tutorials, it´s a pretty easy tool to use.

npiv 10 years, 3 months ago

Hi Djunkell. How do you get your HEM note popup to open so nicely below the playing window?

DjuNKeLL 10 years, 3 months ago

Hey Npiv, just open the note popup, drag it to somewhere you like and then click save. It should popup again at the place where it was the last time you saved. If this is not working, I believe you might have to turn on the Show Caddy Notes option in HUD > HUD Designer, but I'm not 100% sure about that. Hope that works!

JerseyGrinder23 10 years, 2 months ago

Quick Qs:

  1. How much times do you need to see someone do a certain action before you can properly exploit it? EX: You see someone donk bet weak on flop three times, is this enough of a sample? What if I see them do this 3 times weak, twice strong? Nothing to exploit there then?

  2. Example 2: Check/Call Range is weak:

So are you basically saying that the optimal play against these type of people is to fire three streets? Because if they were strong these players would likely check raise the flop or turn. If we do not get check raised on turn against a fastplay we can put them on a medium hand once we get to river. Once on river put full pressure on because they would have check raised turn or flop, and it is very likely they are holding something like top pair bad kicker or worse.

DjuNKeLL 10 years, 2 months ago

Hey JerseyGrinder23,

Good questions!

Q1: Yes, if I see my opponent take a specific action a few times in a row, I tend to go after it. My logic for that, especially when playing vs weaker players, is that you already have some indication and you are more likely to make a better decision than without the use of that information, and 'going after your read' is going to result in much faster confirmation of that read. Also, if your play didn't work out (and your read was wrong), you get information and can re-adjust your strategy. I feel whenever I put consistently more effort in this process (basically the adjustment game) than my opponent, I should benefit from it (sometimes short-term but definitely long-term). If you have notes that don't seem to indicate anything specific, this can mean two things: 1) your opponent might be adjusting/balanced in that spot (so far), or 2) your opponent is random. You will see 1) happen more often when playing vs regulars, and 2) vs weaker players (fwiw, having a read that a weaker player might be 'random' is a read in itself).

Q2: Exactly, I found this to be very effective. Few things to consider though (I believe I also stressed these points in the video, but just in case I didn't):
- Your opponent type: even though, if you indeed have the read that your opponent likes to fastplay strong hands and his calling range is capped, he might also be the type that is not willing to fold bluffcatchers. Because some players will just realize that this might be a good spot for you to keep barrelling wide as a bluff and/or they might also realize that they are the top of their bluffcatching range, so they will not fold much (I made this mistake many times ;)). From my experience, nitfish/straight forward regulars tend to fastplay and also fold capped ranges the most, so they are ideal to exloit with this read.
- Board texture: you should try to pick board runouts where 1) the player pool tendency is to fastplay their hand and 2) where the board changes in your favour given your range. For example, I think 876sJK (BB vs BTN (hero) SRP) is a board runout where players will fastplay flop/turn a lot and leave their calling range capped and this runout also favours our range.

JerseyGrinder23 10 years, 2 months ago
  1. Very nice point about making reads and adjusting strategy. Many players fail to do this, and they tend to collect information ineffectively. This could be because they are multitabling,inexperienced, lazy, and many other reasons. Being able to have strong and stable reads is what separates the good players from the great.

Also some people might fall into natural cognitive biases when making reads and this could effect decision making. For example a cognitive bias that we might fall trap to is "anchoring". Anchoring means that we rely too much on the first piece of information and weigh our decisions more because of the first action we see. So lets say the first action we see is someone donking out weak. We might "anchor" on to this first piece of information and make future decisions just based on this. So it is critical to look for patterns and tendencies and not fall into cognitive biases like this one.

  1. Yeah, you did stress those points in the video. Just really interesting insight, and wanted to make sure I understood what you were saying.

"Even though, if you indeed have the read that your opponent likes to fastplay strong hands and his calling range is capped, he might also be the type that is not willing to fold bluffcatchers"

How can we identify players that bluff-catch often? Its one thing to bluff-catch on a QJs257 board vs a KKx87 board. Should notes also be taken on the type of board runouts they are bluff-catching? Perhaps they bluff catch frequently on missed flush boards, but not so much on dry paired boards.

DjuNKeLL 10 years, 2 months ago

Yeah, I´ve definitely felt into that trap many times before where I just labeled a player as station/bad or whatever and didn't consider it too much. I talk about this a little bit in my latest video (part 7) and how I try to avoid this.

I would make notes and focus on spots where my opponent is making light/stubborn calldowns given ranges and board runout. So in some spots you clearly have a ton of value and some bluffs and villain probably should just fold a lot given how the hand played out. On the other hand, you have spots where you have a narrow valuerange and a wide bluffing range because a lot of draws missed, so then you can expect your opponent to make light calldowns (and is probably correct in doing this). I would focus most of my attention on the first spot I described.

IamIndifferent 10 years, 1 month ago

What would you suggest as low/normal/high ranges for donk/CBet%/ XR (and any other associated stats to reinforce that assessment in case of small sample)?

I currently use in HEM2 a 5-point color-coding scale:
Flop donk: Less than 2/2-5/5-10/10-20/20+
CBet%: Less than 53/53-62/62-75/75-80/80+
Flop X/R: Less than 5/5-10/10-15/15-20/20+

IamIndifferent 10 years, 1 month ago

What about low/normal/high for defending blinds (BB Fold to Steal, Total Resteal (3B vs Steal)?

I currently use in HEM2 a 5 point color-coding:
BB Fold To Steal: Below 45/45-57/57-62.5/62.5-67/67+
Total Resteal (3B vs Steal): Below 4/4-5.8/5.8-9/9-12/12+

DjuNKeLL 10 years, 1 month ago

Hey IamIndifferent!

You can either look at these color coding ranges from two sides imo: 1) what you consider low/normal/high in your games or 2) when is something an autoprofit/threshold spot. For stats where I'm more interested in the first option, I made a player alias of all (good) regs and then checked that stat to see what I should be considering as normal. For the second option, you can just use math. Just something to think about.

Here are my low/normal/high ranges for the stats you asked about:

Flop donk <5, 5-8, >8
Cbet <55, 55-65, >65
Flop xR <8, 8-12, >12
BB fold to steal <50, 50-60, >60
Resteal (I split it up for SB/BB) but around <12, 12-18, 18>

Hope that helps!

IamIndifferent 10 years, 1 month ago

Have you used Leakbuster? If so, what do you think of the Leakbuster ranges as guides for normal?

DjuNKeLL 10 years, 1 month ago

Yeah I have a license for Leakbuster but I haven´t used it much. It´s still on my to-do list to explore it in depth. For the limited time I used it, I thought the ranges looked good, but the general advice it generates was not always great. I mean, it's probably obvious, but you definitely need to consider for yourself if the leaks it presents are really leaks, because some 'leaks' might be very effective ways to play at your stakes as the majority of the player pool is either not knowing and/or not capable of exploiting you for it. An example might be having a fold to cbet river of 70%. This might be correct if the overall player pool is super honest with their third barrel and don't follow through with bluffs much. Also, it's a stat that takes forever to say something meaningful about it so your opponents will not know it if you have this leak, and even if they knew, they might not always be capable/willing to take advantage of it.

IamIndifferent 10 years, 1 month ago

I wasn't so much concerned with the Leakbuster advice but as a source for ranges. My concern is whether the Leakbuster ranges are out-of-date. They seem too conservative in places like 3B from the blinds and BTN steal. I don't know if they are updated from years ago.

Another source for normal ranges is AlanJackson's Pokermetrics which includes winning 6.5+ BB/100 400NL regs values for hundreds of spots. Jackson updates his 2 million hand winning reg DB every six months or so. He has a DB just of Zoom regs, too.

svlptnk 9 years, 10 months ago

your videos are just weak and boring :/ dont know how I managed to get through your whole series..

DjuNKeLL 9 years, 9 months ago

I'm sorry to hear that! My goal was to make an informative series that would be useful for the average essential member, and because not all essential members are equal in skill, some will benefit and unfortunately some will not. On the positive side, there are a lot of other coaches who make great content :)

Terkel1896 9 years, 3 months ago

Hej DjuNKell,
just a quick message of appreciation in regards to this series.

The first time i watched the series (more than half a year ago, I was/am a huge noob) I kind of found it boring and lame and weak and whatever meaningless words some few people utter in the comments section.

In the meantime I have changed my focus to Cash Game instead of late night MTT grinding. After having studied and being humbled by low stakes Cash Games for several months now, I stumbled over this series again and must say I really really enjoy it a lot. Especially your focus on note taking and structuring that in a way, so that it can quickly be implemented in your game is gold. I have learned a lot from you, so thank you!

To the few people who have the immodesty to issue their brief and hollow disregard of the time you have invested to share your way of working/understanding Poker with us, I only feel empathy for these individuals as they seemingly, to state it in poker terms :), have a lot of general life leaks and manners that can be considered far from GTO.

Keep up the good work

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