2:20- with AKJ5, I must have meant I should consider betting turn. Decent draw, being OOP and no pairs from the board I have to decide between check calling and betting myself and I will choose the latter. If I did bet and did not get there on the river, I'd be following through on non heart runouts as well. If I had a heart, or hearts, and didn't make a straight on the river, I would consider following through on flushing runouts both as bluffs and value bets respectively.
7:06- I think this is down to whether we get paid off on a clean heart river, especially since there is a 'one card straight' on the board. Both in real life and in solver world, if a new hand class gets there OTR, hearts in this case, and the earlier hand class is present more easily, like on the flop you needed KT and OTT you just need a broadway card and a T, you don't get called down enough. Since implied odds consider getting called down OTR and since that's not happening enough, I'd still fold this.
Now, if you can make a successful bluff on a diamond(we have one diamond) or a board pair(2p:straight without any flush draw kind of hand would get here this way from IP or 2p:hh) this would be a better call OTT. The only thing you'd need to consider is that he, most likely, has a straight and redraw at this point as most straights without a redraw would prefer just calling.
I did consider checking back but like I said in the video, I'm looking to make him fold any pair or two pair(OTT or OTR) that isn't a straight. Basically, semi bluffing. I'm also bluffing diamonds on the river.
13:00- this one is close. I'd definitely have called this same hand on the flop but OTT, I need to know I'm getting called when I bet in order on flushing rivers for this to be successful.
When BTN pots, he's repping Q9 with or without a redraw. When BB calls he looks like he has a middling 2p:draw hand.
My hand is definitely more of a fold from BB than it is closing the action in the middle but I still don't think I'm making a lot of money looking for clean heart rivers and hoping to get paid. This would be different if we were OTF when sets and 2p would peel to see future streets or if I could have gotten multi street value from a lower flush.
15:21- I don't think so but I'll post the solver results below.
I'll give you my reasons first-
When you don't check raise flop, you're essentially saying you don't have a lot of 88,77,87,9T8x,7JT9 hands. So IP has better draws and "made hands" than us. When the board pairs, it's not prudent to bet ourselves since our range has significantly less of those hands compared to villain.
This screen shot is different in that, in game, this was a limped pot but similar to solver, we check called flop. Have a look at the range graph.
Your responses are always thorough and well thought out. Thank you.
I think a big weakness of mine in plo when looking at calling with draws when there is already a different made hand class out is that I am not thinking of redraws for my opponent enough. This potentially puts me in reverse implied odds spots. I need to change that mindset.
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Excellent series!
2:20 table 4 akk5 you said you should have continued barreling turn. However, you checked the flop. Is the flop a cbet?
7:06 table 1 a652 having the flush draw did you feel you didn't have the implied odds to make the turn call vs. the raise?
If you are folding to a raise wouldn't it be better to just check back and realize eq?
13:00 table 4 sort of similar spot where you are 3 way with flush draw and fold.
15:21 table 4 a652 do you get turn leads here?
Thanks!
Hi SoundSpeed, thanks for the feedback!
2:20- with AKJ5, I must have meant I should consider betting turn. Decent draw, being OOP and no pairs from the board I have to decide between check calling and betting myself and I will choose the latter. If I did bet and did not get there on the river, I'd be following through on non heart runouts as well. If I had a heart, or hearts, and didn't make a straight on the river, I would consider following through on flushing runouts both as bluffs and value bets respectively.
7:06- I think this is down to whether we get paid off on a clean heart river, especially since there is a 'one card straight' on the board. Both in real life and in solver world, if a new hand class gets there OTR, hearts in this case, and the earlier hand class is present more easily, like on the flop you needed KT and OTT you just need a broadway card and a T, you don't get called down enough. Since implied odds consider getting called down OTR and since that's not happening enough, I'd still fold this.
Now, if you can make a successful bluff on a diamond(we have one diamond) or a board pair(2p:straight without any flush draw kind of hand would get here this way from IP or 2p:hh) this would be a better call OTT. The only thing you'd need to consider is that he, most likely, has a straight and redraw at this point as most straights without a redraw would prefer just calling.
I did consider checking back but like I said in the video, I'm looking to make him fold any pair or two pair(OTT or OTR) that isn't a straight. Basically, semi bluffing. I'm also bluffing diamonds on the river.
13:00- this one is close. I'd definitely have called this same hand on the flop but OTT, I need to know I'm getting called when I bet in order on flushing rivers for this to be successful.
When BTN pots, he's repping Q9 with or without a redraw. When BB calls he looks like he has a middling 2p:draw hand.
My hand is definitely more of a fold from BB than it is closing the action in the middle but I still don't think I'm making a lot of money looking for clean heart rivers and hoping to get paid. This would be different if we were OTF when sets and 2p would peel to see future streets or if I could have gotten multi street value from a lower flush.
15:21- I don't think so but I'll post the solver results below.
I'll give you my reasons first-
When you don't check raise flop, you're essentially saying you don't have a lot of 88,77,87,9T8x,7JT9 hands. So IP has better draws and "made hands" than us. When the board pairs, it's not prudent to bet ourselves since our range has significantly less of those hands compared to villain.
This screen shot is different in that, in game, this was a limped pot but similar to solver, we check called flop. Have a look at the range graph.
Your responses are always thorough and well thought out. Thank you.
I think a big weakness of mine in plo when looking at calling with draws when there is already a different made hand class out is that I am not thinking of redraws for my opponent enough. This potentially puts me in reverse implied odds spots. I need to change that mindset.
You're very kind SoundSpeed . Glad you get a lot out of these videos!
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