Nice intro video and I look forward to more videos in the future. Maybe you can discuss some of your adjustments while switching to more HU play. I hope Galfond gave you a discount on his new course :)
Can we get a RIO mod to get this man a free PG course!! It should be part of the contract with free Vision lol!! Can I be your agent? We need to renegotiate this contract :)
Alright, alright well negotiated RoleTide! Dhruv is all set up for access to This Is PLO :) Of course this is mandatory for any Run It Once PLO coach :P
wellcome to rio sir, and great first vid. nice pace and well explained.
A suggestion for a video : "this is my studie regime from last month", including a show of a 4 hour studie schedule per day, with ca. 8 x 30 minute moduls, if thats what you suggest. Explaining what, and how, you studied last month Thus your student will have a guided way to understanding what ongoing commitment it takes to master the whole game, and we can follow you on your journey.
It is also a general recommendation to all of Rio. If you could, please create a structure more in line with an education on university, that ensures that your students will be well rounded in all topics needed to master the great game, if enough hours are put in to the task, and preferred with teachers as Dhruv to guide us thru each "semester".
Anyway, looking forward to your next video.
best of luck
Interesting suggestions. If you mean to ask me for my study routine then I spend between two and three hours a day on VISION. If you are new and want my advice, I'd recommend spending around the same time but looking only at pre flop streaks for the first two months or so. It will have a very positive impact on your win rate.
PLO is a complex game and is mastered only one small step at a time.
Pursuing PLO as a university course would be fun- has its positives like covering all relevant topics but on the flip side- the pace may not suit everybody.
Glad you liked the first video and I look forward to getting the next one out soon!
Great first video! Welcome and I am looking forward to more.
I liked this format of incorporating vision with hand reviews. Another good format is to do the play review sraight through with only your verbal analysis then at the end of the video review a few of the more difficult spots with the solver.
At 19:30 you showed bad aaxx combos prefer to call. Are we basically just set mining? They seem difficult to play post flop.
29:30 are we supposed to raise for value or is it more a bluff with the two 8s as future blockers and our bdfds?
At 19:30, the reason we don't 3b all AA is we want some in our back raising range. If you look closely in VISION you'll find most slow plays have bare and bad AA, which means on monotone boards when you flop a blocker or turn a blocker, should the situation arise, you will get a lot more credit for flushes and you get to apply more pressure than you would in a 3b, low SPR situation. Also, you can't have the pre flop aggressor go crazy on A high boards and you will now have a lot to fight back(or keep slow playing with). Add to this, we also 3b non AA, hands like rundowns, which means we hit a lot of boards when we 3b and not just boards like AKJ or A33; we can also bet or check to trap boards like 987 or JJT in 3b pots in position.
So to answer your question- we would continue on most boards with bad AA in SRPs but can comfortably give up our hand on 987hh with AA23 which has suits that are irrelevant. Hitting a set is great but we can find other reasons to continue as well.
At 29:30, the raise is definitely as a bluff. When we take away a lot of 8x from his range, he just has to start folding a lot on the flop as he will find it difficult to continue what he c-bet with. If he does not give up flop and calls, we can continue to apply pressure on so many turns- obvious ones being 5, 9 and T but also board pairing turns. When we continue to apply pressure on board pairing turns, it's always great to have two outs to the remaining 8s so we can hit a nice over full on the river.
These aggressive actions fall in line with what we are representing.
With bad AA you are not pushing as much equity as with good AA. This is a recurring theme when looking at GTO play. You usually slow play sets that don't have much else going with them and keep pumping up aggression the more you have going with them. Same with bad 2p, almost always call to a bet and 2p+oesd stuff like that usually raise. Also if you were raising every AA you would need to add more nonAA hands to your range to balance it out. On top of that the things Dhruv mentioned.
These are all theories but we figure it out ourselves when trying to get in GTO's shoes
Hi! Thanks for a great first video and welcome to the site!
It would be very helpful to have a video, or video series, on bluffing at micro- and small stakes PLO. It can sometimes seem as if opponents in these games are never folding. Obviously if this were true, bluffing would be disastrous.
But of course it is not true. People do fold.
I think many players in these games, including myself, have difficulty identifying good multi-street bluffing opportunities.
I see what you mean. If I may be honest, I used to think like that too because I felt no one was folding in my games.
Instead of looking at bluffing in a vacuum, as a one street decision, I would urge you to start re thinking about your ranges in terms of hands that open pre, decide to c-bet in a particular spot and take it from there on the next street. On the turn you may continue with some combos as bluffs and some as value bets and just check with some other combos depending on the suits. Very often in PLO you will find your bluffs coming from similar combos or needing similar cards as your value bets. Finding the appropriate ratio is key- and is something we're all working towards.
Once you're on this path you can decide to do things differently with combos of hands solver is mixing a lot with- bluff more versus someone willing to fold and not bluff versus someone willing to call you down light.
An example of this can be- solver wants to bluff turns with one high heart, betting with broadway heart blockers and checking lower ones. If you think you're getting a lot of folds you may want to add any heart to your bluff candidates and vice-versa.
You game plan overall should focus on making solver approved decisions and understanding them. I can highly recommend VISION for that.
Bit late to the party on this but I really enjoyed this video and will be working through the rest of your content over the next week or so. Welcome to RIO!
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Nice intro video and I look forward to more videos in the future. Maybe you can discuss some of your adjustments while switching to more HU play. I hope Galfond gave you a discount on his new course :)
thanks and noted!
I haven't gotten any discounts on the PG course but I'm certain it's worth the money if you are considering it!
Can we get a RIO mod to get this man a free PG course!! It should be part of the contract with free Vision lol!! Can I be your agent? We need to renegotiate this contract :)
Alright, alright well negotiated RoleTide! Dhruv is all set up for access to This Is PLO :) Of course this is mandatory for any Run It Once PLO coach :P
Eldora heck yea! Good to see RIO taking care of their own. :)
"Lead" is a term typically reserved for the caller into the PFR. It's a little confusing when you interchange that and "c-bet"
I see what you mean, will def keep that in mind.
Hi Dhruv,
wellcome to rio sir, and great first vid. nice pace and well explained.
A suggestion for a video : "this is my studie regime from last month", including a show of a 4 hour studie schedule per day, with ca. 8 x 30 minute moduls, if thats what you suggest. Explaining what, and how, you studied last month Thus your student will have a guided way to understanding what ongoing commitment it takes to master the whole game, and we can follow you on your journey.
It is also a general recommendation to all of Rio. If you could, please create a structure more in line with an education on university, that ensures that your students will be well rounded in all topics needed to master the great game, if enough hours are put in to the task, and preferred with teachers as Dhruv to guide us thru each "semester".
Anyway, looking forward to your next video.
best of luck
Hi,
Thanks for the warm welcome, I appreciate it!
Interesting suggestions. If you mean to ask me for my study routine then I spend between two and three hours a day on VISION. If you are new and want my advice, I'd recommend spending around the same time but looking only at pre flop streaks for the first two months or so. It will have a very positive impact on your win rate.
PLO is a complex game and is mastered only one small step at a time.
Pursuing PLO as a university course would be fun- has its positives like covering all relevant topics but on the flip side- the pace may not suit everybody.
Glad you liked the first video and I look forward to getting the next one out soon!
Great first video! Welcome and I am looking forward to more.
I liked this format of incorporating vision with hand reviews. Another good format is to do the play review sraight through with only your verbal analysis then at the end of the video review a few of the more difficult spots with the solver.
At 19:30 you showed bad aaxx combos prefer to call. Are we basically just set mining? They seem difficult to play post flop.
29:30 are we supposed to raise for value or is it more a bluff with the two 8s as future blockers and our bdfds?
Thanks!
Hi, thanks for the kind words SoundSpeed!
At 19:30, the reason we don't 3b all AA is we want some in our back raising range. If you look closely in VISION you'll find most slow plays have bare and bad AA, which means on monotone boards when you flop a blocker or turn a blocker, should the situation arise, you will get a lot more credit for flushes and you get to apply more pressure than you would in a 3b, low SPR situation. Also, you can't have the pre flop aggressor go crazy on A high boards and you will now have a lot to fight back(or keep slow playing with). Add to this, we also 3b non AA, hands like rundowns, which means we hit a lot of boards when we 3b and not just boards like AKJ or A33; we can also bet or check to trap boards like 987 or JJT in 3b pots in position.
So to answer your question- we would continue on most boards with bad AA in SRPs but can comfortably give up our hand on 987hh with AA23 which has suits that are irrelevant. Hitting a set is great but we can find other reasons to continue as well.
At 29:30, the raise is definitely as a bluff. When we take away a lot of 8x from his range, he just has to start folding a lot on the flop as he will find it difficult to continue what he c-bet with. If he does not give up flop and calls, we can continue to apply pressure on so many turns- obvious ones being 5, 9 and T but also board pairing turns. When we continue to apply pressure on board pairing turns, it's always great to have two outs to the remaining 8s so we can hit a nice over full on the river.
These aggressive actions fall in line with what we are representing.
With bad AA you are not pushing as much equity as with good AA. This is a recurring theme when looking at GTO play. You usually slow play sets that don't have much else going with them and keep pumping up aggression the more you have going with them. Same with bad 2p, almost always call to a bet and 2p+oesd stuff like that usually raise. Also if you were raising every AA you would need to add more nonAA hands to your range to balance it out. On top of that the things Dhruv mentioned.
These are all theories but we figure it out ourselves when trying to get in GTO's shoes
Hi! Thanks for a great first video and welcome to the site!
It would be very helpful to have a video, or video series, on bluffing at micro- and small stakes PLO. It can sometimes seem as if opponents in these games are never folding. Obviously if this were true, bluffing would be disastrous.
But of course it is not true. People do fold.
I think many players in these games, including myself, have difficulty identifying good multi-street bluffing opportunities.
Thanks again, and best wishes.
Hi Haecceity! Thanks, I appreciate it!
I see what you mean. If I may be honest, I used to think like that too because I felt no one was folding in my games.
Instead of looking at bluffing in a vacuum, as a one street decision, I would urge you to start re thinking about your ranges in terms of hands that open pre, decide to c-bet in a particular spot and take it from there on the next street. On the turn you may continue with some combos as bluffs and some as value bets and just check with some other combos depending on the suits. Very often in PLO you will find your bluffs coming from similar combos or needing similar cards as your value bets. Finding the appropriate ratio is key- and is something we're all working towards.
Once you're on this path you can decide to do things differently with combos of hands solver is mixing a lot with- bluff more versus someone willing to fold and not bluff versus someone willing to call you down light.
An example of this can be- solver wants to bluff turns with one high heart, betting with broadway heart blockers and checking lower ones. If you think you're getting a lot of folds you may want to add any heart to your bluff candidates and vice-versa.
You game plan overall should focus on making solver approved decisions and understanding them. I can highly recommend VISION for that.
Hope this helps you.
Thanks very much. That is very helpful!
Bit late to the party on this but I really enjoyed this video and will be working through the rest of your content over the next week or so. Welcome to RIO!
thanks WatHpnsInVgs! I really appreciate your feedback!
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