your x/r sizings is around 2-2.5x cbet. this option is because people are so polarized and don't defend enough to x/r ?
on J8ss hand I am not a fan of the x/r since we don't block anything on his continuing range (diamonds/Kx) and the board is K high that makes equities have much less dynamic (given pair outs, since we are not x/r Ax diamonds often) it makes our x/r bluffing range tighter since people will call down on any brickish turn/river with Kx often enough. but is certainly a hand that both x/c and x/f sucks and lead on Kxx is getting spazzed a bunch. I have no clue what the best option is intuitively, will take a better look soon.
KhQd on K82hh6hT are you jamming heart rivers if checked to ?
Thanks for the in depth response. Sorry I've taken a while to reply but the vid came out just as Barcelona started.
I think that craising 2.5x at the stack depths in these videos pressurises the weaker parts of our opponents range to get folds. At a deeper stack depth obviously we can make it larger to charge our opponents draws and also get value when we do have the nut hand.
You make a good point about blockers. I dont think i refer to them much in the video. Was selecting from a random sample size of 500 hands, but it may be a leak in my own game that i don't factor it in to my though process enough.
KQ hand is close. I think that we don't arrive at the river with many bluffs and Ahx has enough showdown value at the river that we can just check and win. That said the way most regs play at the moment they are very unbalanced with the betting lead and rarely check better on the river. So as an exploit we could consider it.
Thanks again for your response. Good for my game as well to have to respond such well crafted feedback.
I think the sizing is interesting because usually the c-bet strategy for some players is polarized and not condensed, which I am not a huge fan. I really like the way ERA7ER designs his cbetting range making his defense frequency to x/r optimal (mine is a little over optimal I think, I usually really want to hear the rest of the history). Extracting the information how people design their cbetting range is probably the most difficult part, since stats on bet-check-fold lines IP are not that clear and online playing 10-12 tables is tough to get this type of information (specially who does not play much online as me). I tend to make a bit larger when facing better opponents, like 2.7x-3x having like 2-2.5PSB behind when called but certainly will try to get a cheaper price on my bluffs (:.
The K9cc hand: dont you think that it may be bad to call against Villain's biggish bets on flop and turn, cause it would make more sense for V to bluff with lower sizings. And how many bluffs can you see on river with that SPR from Villain? Of course you have very good odds but op also knows that you have very low FE.
The 56cc hand: also I am considering bet sizing from V. His sizing shows strength and he may call down a bunch of rivers that you would bluff if checked and you almost never win at showdown unless club or 7 hits. That being said you dont get odds to call turn IMO. IF you say that he is balanced enough to have a lot of bluff/semibluff hands here, dont you think its better to either shove or fold?
I hope my questions make sense. Looking forward to a disscussion
I considered leaving out the K9cc hand when i came to it because i think the easiest way to play it is to jam pre and as you say the river decision is awkward. I remembered playing the hand clearly though and thought it was interesting enough to be worthy of inclusion.
What I should have perhaps done is change the emphasis of my analysis and use it as a lesson in what happens when a defending range becomes unbalanced. I was super conscious that i had alsmost no Ax in my range and played super stubborn accordingly. If we fold at any point when we turn a King the whole peel pre and flop call become super unprofitable. I also think it's probably a small mistake to peel the flop.
On reflection in my analysis of this hand I should be more critical of my play. So thanks for pointing that out.
With the 56cc my initial instinct is that we should just let the turn card dictate whether we continue, so we basically call again when we add a straight draw or turn a pair. Out of those cards - 3456789 - a nine is clearly the worse because our straight when it comes in make a very clear one card straight with a ten. So if you wanted to adjust our frequency slightly this is certainly the first card we would begin folding on.
Thanks for the attentive response and sorry for the delay in replying! Let me know any more thoughts you have....
Quick question regarding defending vs a strong opening range. If we know someone has KK and we're facing a raise in the BB w/ AT we're getting about 4:1 and have approximately 30% equity vs KK. The problem is realizing this equity as most flops we're going to have to fold. How do you approach defending in such situations (albeit an extreme example)? We basically need to look at our flop equity right? Should we be avoiding defending vs. super nits even though the price is amazing?
You should definitely be taking into account your opponents tendencies when considering what hands to call with. Of course, tightening your range against nitty opponents is appropriate. Also understanding an opponents tendencies is going to increase the profitability of any defend. We can check to them with a higher frequency if they bluff to much and check raise more if they c-bet to much etc.
Stack size is important as well of course. Having a stack you can comfortably craise all in with on the flop with any pair or flush draw means often times we can defend wider with 12-20bb than we can against good opponents when we have 35.
Why did you mention the button should be 3xing there? With 28xbb eff stack his not giving neither of you good odds to defend, not letting you reshove over his open (which would make sense had he 3xed).
I'm not a fan of people minraising at 10/20 because they're copying other 'pros' but in this spot anything other than a minraise seems a mistake to me.
My standard and most players standard would be to min open in the villains spot. However, I do think if you had a mixed strategy and limp some and 3x some that could also be fine. 77 specifically is a hand that benefits from encouraging our opponent to jam wider and flat less.
Having said that it's a bit of a 'leak' of mine to just casually drop in to the video without further discussion. So thanks for pointing that out.
thanks for the vid sam! as you can see, I have been going through a lot of your videos recently as I really enjoyed your explanation
@30:30 merits of small check-raise ~2.5-3x bet (5-6bb) instead of shoving directly ~20bb? a way to increase our fold equity vs the weaker part of their range but anyway calling his 3bet shove due to odds?
@35:00 how do you evaluate / what are the factors you take into account to decide whether a hand in BB is a shove or a call at ~16-20bb vs BU/CO open? like the Q3s or K9s in this vid? like flat more low suited & connected, fold junk, shove pps & the rest?
@30.30 See a lot of people do as you suggest and split there range but i don't think it's good unless you're doing it as a bluff at the right frequency. When I see people sort of c-raise commit themselves without jamming it's exactly the sort of hand I have, a weak draw, and you can quite easily make correct decisions.
@35.00 Haha! What you ask is of course the key to online MTTs!! Since i've done this video i've started running the maths on these spots a lot more. Just putting a lot of these spots through ICMizer until it becomes second nature is a time consuming process, but certainly worth it. K9cc I think is on the cusp, just cos of it's playability post but I think it's more profitable as a jam.
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awesome video sam! really enjoyed the format.
your x/r sizings is around 2-2.5x cbet. this option is because people are so polarized and don't defend enough to x/r ?
on J8ss hand I am not a fan of the x/r since we don't block anything on his continuing range (diamonds/Kx) and the board is K high that makes equities have much less dynamic (given pair outs, since we are not x/r Ax diamonds often) it makes our x/r bluffing range tighter since people will call down on any brickish turn/river with Kx often enough. but is certainly a hand that both x/c and x/f sucks and lead on Kxx is getting spazzed a bunch. I have no clue what the best option is intuitively, will take a better look soon.
KhQd on K82hh6hT are you jamming heart rivers if checked to ?
Thanks for the in depth response. Sorry I've taken a while to reply but the vid came out just as Barcelona started.
I think that craising 2.5x at the stack depths in these videos pressurises the weaker parts of our opponents range to get folds. At a deeper stack depth obviously we can make it larger to charge our opponents draws and also get value when we do have the nut hand.
You make a good point about blockers. I dont think i refer to them much in the video. Was selecting from a random sample size of 500 hands, but it may be a leak in my own game that i don't factor it in to my though process enough.
KQ hand is close. I think that we don't arrive at the river with many bluffs and Ahx has enough showdown value at the river that we can just check and win. That said the way most regs play at the moment they are very unbalanced with the betting lead and rarely check better on the river. So as an exploit we could consider it.
Thanks again for your response. Good for my game as well to have to respond such well crafted feedback.
No problem man! Gl in Barca.
I think the sizing is interesting because usually the c-bet strategy for some players is polarized and not condensed, which I am not a huge fan. I really like the way ERA7ER designs his cbetting range making his defense frequency to x/r optimal (mine is a little over optimal I think, I usually really want to hear the rest of the history). Extracting the information how people design their cbetting range is probably the most difficult part, since stats on bet-check-fold lines IP are not that clear and online playing 10-12 tables is tough to get this type of information (specially who does not play much online as me). I tend to make a bit larger when facing better opponents, like 2.7x-3x having like 2-2.5PSB behind when called but certainly will try to get a cheaper price on my bluffs (:.
Ty man and this was your best video here.
very good, I'd like you continue with some videos like this
Thanks bro. Got a lot of likes so I definitely will.
First of all, thanks for a very nice video!
2 hands that I am not sure about:
The K9cc hand: dont you think that it may be bad to call against Villain's biggish bets on flop and turn, cause it would make more sense for V to bluff with lower sizings. And how many bluffs can you see on river with that SPR from Villain? Of course you have very good odds but op also knows that you have very low FE.
The 56cc hand: also I am considering bet sizing from V. His sizing shows strength and he may call down a bunch of rivers that you would bluff if checked and you almost never win at showdown unless club or 7 hits. That being said you dont get odds to call turn IMO. IF you say that he is balanced enough to have a lot of bluff/semibluff hands here, dont you think its better to either shove or fold?
I hope my questions make sense. Looking forward to a disscussion
I considered leaving out the K9cc hand when i came to it because i think the easiest way to play it is to jam pre and as you say the river decision is awkward. I remembered playing the hand clearly though and thought it was interesting enough to be worthy of inclusion.
What I should have perhaps done is change the emphasis of my analysis and use it as a lesson in what happens when a defending range becomes unbalanced. I was super conscious that i had alsmost no Ax in my range and played super stubborn accordingly. If we fold at any point when we turn a King the whole peel pre and flop call become super unprofitable. I also think it's probably a small mistake to peel the flop.
On reflection in my analysis of this hand I should be more critical of my play. So thanks for pointing that out.
With the 56cc my initial instinct is that we should just let the turn card dictate whether we continue, so we basically call again when we add a straight draw or turn a pair. Out of those cards - 3456789 - a nine is clearly the worse because our straight when it comes in make a very clear one card straight with a ten. So if you wanted to adjust our frequency slightly this is certainly the first card we would begin folding on.
Thanks for the attentive response and sorry for the delay in replying! Let me know any more thoughts you have....
I've always wanted a video of this kind. Well done!
Thanks pal! Definitely won't be the last.
Quick question regarding defending vs a strong opening range. If we know someone has KK and we're facing a raise in the BB w/ AT we're getting about 4:1 and have approximately 30% equity vs KK. The problem is realizing this equity as most flops we're going to have to fold. How do you approach defending in such situations (albeit an extreme example)? We basically need to look at our flop equity right? Should we be avoiding defending vs. super nits even though the price is amazing?
You should definitely be taking into account your opponents tendencies when considering what hands to call with. Of course, tightening your range against nitty opponents is appropriate. Also understanding an opponents tendencies is going to increase the profitability of any defend. We can check to them with a higher frequency if they bluff to much and check raise more if they c-bet to much etc.
Stack size is important as well of course. Having a stack you can comfortably craise all in with on the flop with any pair or flush draw means often times we can defend wider with 12-20bb than we can against good opponents when we have 35.
Hand 97s in BB at 25:15
Why did you mention the button should be 3xing there? With 28xbb eff stack his not giving neither of you good odds to defend, not letting you reshove over his open (which would make sense had he 3xed).
I'm not a fan of people minraising at 10/20 because they're copying other 'pros' but in this spot anything other than a minraise seems a mistake to me.
My standard and most players standard would be to min open in the villains spot. However, I do think if you had a mixed strategy and limp some and 3x some that could also be fine. 77 specifically is a hand that benefits from encouraging our opponent to jam wider and flat less.
Having said that it's a bit of a 'leak' of mine to just casually drop in to the video without further discussion. So thanks for pointing that out.
thanks for the vid sam! as you can see, I have been going through a lot of your videos recently as I really enjoyed your explanation
@30:30 merits of small check-raise ~2.5-3x bet (5-6bb) instead of shoving directly ~20bb? a way to increase our fold equity vs the weaker part of their range but anyway calling his 3bet shove due to odds?
@35:00 how do you evaluate / what are the factors you take into account to decide whether a hand in BB is a shove or a call at ~16-20bb vs BU/CO open? like the Q3s or K9s in this vid? like flat more low suited & connected, fold junk, shove pps & the rest?
@30.30 See a lot of people do as you suggest and split there range but i don't think it's good unless you're doing it as a bluff at the right frequency. When I see people sort of c-raise commit themselves without jamming it's exactly the sort of hand I have, a weak draw, and you can quite easily make correct decisions.
@35.00 Haha! What you ask is of course the key to online MTTs!! Since i've done this video i've started running the maths on these spots a lot more. Just putting a lot of these spots through ICMizer until it becomes second nature is a time consuming process, but certainly worth it. K9cc I think is on the cusp, just cos of it's playability post but I think it's more profitable as a jam.
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