Solid video! I tried to come up with some questions but you covered pretty much everything that should be covered.
I like your cbetting range. My own range is probably not that polarized, since I tend to cbet hands like A9/K9 and strong draws most of the time. I will try to polarize my range a bit from now on and see how that goes!
I also like these 25-35 minute concept videos. I would suggest you to keep doing these if you come up with good ideas. There are enough "4 tabling NLXX zoom" videos out there in my opinion.
What does our Turn CBet and Checking range look like on, say, 2 rainbow? Should our Turn checkback range be able to call a River stab?
On the flop our TPGK+ made up about 11% vs air 48% of the total 59% CBet range so on the turn aiming for about a 50% Turn CBet if we bet all our TPGK+ (~22% of Turn CBet range since we're betting about half as many total combos), then we need to check back a lot of air.
How do we decide what air to check back? Do we check back the best of our air (to maybe call a river stab if we hit our overcard or call Ace high regardless?) so all Ace high, K high, Q high and bluff bet the rest of the air (~37%), for example for total Turn CBet of ~59%?
Should we also Turn check back some of the TPGK, say QJ, JT, J8?
Yeah this basically comes down to controlling your bluffing frequency. I will definitely make a video about this topic in a not too distant future. For now just be aware that we should always aim to check the middle of our range, bet the top of our range for value, and bluff the bottom of our range to balance (depending on how many value hands we'll have). Obviously this is an oversimplification and there will be times we'll be giving up depending on the board texture etc, but it should give you an idea.
optimally we want out F cbet% 45-55% and T cbet 45-55% and R cbet% 45-55? that when i dont cbet at a hgher rate my Aggression factor is having a hard time maintaining 3 (i play full ring)
Good video. Facing a check raise on that J95 board, after betting, what part of our range do we 4b (or is it 3b?) bluff with? I thought hands that block his 2 pair or set combos would be best but we don't have any mid or bottom pair in our cbet range.
Good question and I don't have a good answer but my suggestion is QT, KT (8 combos) as they block TP QJ, KJ, TJ while having outs to straight. I would have said KQ but again it is in our checking range.
As a standard, without any particular reads or without sufficient history, I would just flat/fold my entire range. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to 3bet value hands when we get checkraised on that flop so we would end up unbalanced if we have a bluffing range there. If I'm facing a villain that incentivizes me to 3bet flops, my entire strategy could potentially change.
What do you recommend for optimum CBet OOP in 3B Pot? What about specific CBet% and Check% on the J95r flop? OOP do you suggest Checking a few more combos of TPGK? Any changes in how you'd play air?
I talked about cbetting flops in 3B pots quite a bit already in my previous video "Range advantages in 3B pots". A decent cbet percentage is about the same as in SRP's - 45 to 55%. Anything much lower or higher is pretty easy to play against (and exploit).
Very good video!! More theory vids like this are needed.
Quick Q:
If someone is cbetting very high like 70-75%, and they do not keep up the aggression on turn and river, do you think we should try and play their tendency and virtually ignore the cards?
For example: Player A cbets 75% but checks very often on turn and river. They also have a low cbet turn percent. Should we try and play as much pots as humanely possible against this villain? Obviously many other factors, but I would think against certain opponents/table dynamics you can play any two cards and still exploit the player's tendency.
We should play any hand that will net us more than the EV of folding, which is -100bb/100. So against this villain in particular, if he's opening a lot of hands, we'd probably end up defending the majority of our hands OOP, yes.
The worse the opponent, the more hands you can start playing OOP. A lot of the value of defending hands comes from villains folding too much IP at some point in the hand. If you fold a big blind vs an openraise you lose 1bb in 1 hand so that makes -100bb/100 for that specific combo. If you can lose less by calling the hand in stead of folding, you'd be playing a more profitable strategy. Where that threshold is for folding/calling vs certain opponents is hard to define, because it simply depends on villain's tendencies and how good you are yourself in exploiting those mistakes.
How do you adjust your CBet flop range if you are against a calling station non-believer who is calling a lot pre-flop and calling a lot of flop CBets? Do you CBet a more linear range or stay with a polarised CBet strategy but double barrel more anticipating a high fold to turn CBet?
Depending on villain's tendencies on turn/river, and how likely he is to adjust (and in which direction), I might do one or the other. Or both. But my first option would probably be to start cbetting more linear indeed.
I don't have a lot of experience with 6max, but the concepts definitely apply to many other forms of poker. Only the ranges change, and possibly quite a lot. If you change a 90% opening range (SBvsBB HU) into a 40% opening range (BTNvsblinds 6max), your top/middle/bottom ranges will be completely different. But the concept will stay the same.
Brilliant video nicely detailed,i appreciated very much the way u make every concept easy to grasp.
I'd like to know in ur example on the J95r flop if u consider checking behind OC such as AQ is because they have some SDV or because they can block some SD or GS? Why cbetting these hands would be a mistake as we consider them as strong airs?
Thanks a lot!
C-betting AQ wouldn't be a "mistake" per se. I think c-betting AQ there is perfectly fine as well in a vacuum. It's just that we need to have a certain amount of hands in our checkback range to control our frequency/balance. When we are defining the middle of our range, I think it makes sense to start checking back hands with some SDV, or stuff we can potentially call/raise turnstabs with. Even if we end up folding the turn, it's not a big deal, because our range is plenty protected there with better hands as well, which means villain can't exploit us by simply stabbing turns every time we check back. Villain would be exploiting himself.
Awesome video. I was looking to improve my cbetting and this helps with clarity in thought process :)
@22:00 - You said high turn cbets are unlikely for those with low flop cbets. Shouldn't it be the opposite, since, on flops they cbet, they are getting to turn with a stronger range than those who cbet more. ?
It would make some sense but I ment that it's not common at all to see people with a very low cbet% to have a very high turnbet%. They are mostly the type of players that go for a lot of pot control and take passive lines in general.
Can i suggest you do a video on "How to adjust to a high 3bet%". Just as you have done here would be great, examining the diff strats and some hand examples in how you played vs a high or low polar/non polar range.
Excellent video. My question for you is this: J95 appears to be a board where the OOP player has a range advantage, yet here we are cbetting 59%. Isn't this a bit on the high side considering this board texture? Before watching this video, my default was to check behind way more of the aces and some of the kings, but perhaps I am checking behind too much.
Why would the OOP player have a range advantage? OOP's range usually doesn't include AA-JJ/AJ/99/KJs/95o/J5o and I would think it has way less Jx combos in general as well.
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of him flatting AJ, KJ, QJ, JT,J9, J8o, J7s to our 3bet, and since we rarely have those middle combos (J8o-QJ) then his range would be stronger. I admit I didn't actually do the math out though so maybe you're right.
Whoops, my mistake. Still, wouldn't you agree that a BB flatting range pre flop is weighted more toward Qx, Jx, and 9x? These hands seem to hit this board fairly hard.
Relative combo wise, maybe... But SB definitely has a higher absolute number of combo's Q/J/T/9 since he opens all of them, but BB doesn't defend all of them - not by far.
It's great Vincent.
Maybe I'm wrong, but in heads up poker we are always in position when we have the possibility to cbet. Am I right?
Because I'm a six max player, and I think in that game OOP/IP cbet strategy is a little bit different.
How can I adjust that your complete strategy for six max?
For example this one:
Balanced c-betting
Cbet polarized, top and bottom of our range
Nuts
TPGK
Weak air/draws
Checking back middle of our range
TPMK, TPWK
2nd / 3rd pairs
Strong air/draws
For 6-max view DJUNKELL's "essential level" video dated 16th April 2015 where he analyses ranges in a BB 3B vs BTN scenario. You'll see how his 3B range construction for 6-max is similar to Vincent's but also somewhat different. Briefly, DJUNKELL has less bluffs to value combos but otherwise the ranges are very similar. You'll also see how DJUNKELL constructs CBet range OOP on both flop, turn and river as analysed by GTORB. DJUNKELL discusses similar concepts to Vincent as regards top and bottom of ranges.
Vincent, thanks a lot for this video! truly great and very revealing especially for a player with MTT background like myself!
One of the themes i'm really struggling to comprehend is is why good HU players seem to clearly de-prioritize things like "equity protection" or "denying opponent hisequity". clearly on 852 flop it's not a bad result to take down the pot with cbet if you hold 65o vs two random overcards (along the lines of " valuebluffing series" by Daniel Dvoress), and it's going to be applicable on majority of flops when you hold 2nd pair type hand. Why are you (and apparently all of other good HU players) much more concerned about things like "not being called down by worst" or "being only called down by better" more than with denying your oponent and equity when you hold 2nd pair and alike?
Thank a lot for response! great video! i wish more elite HU coaches made concept videos just like you :)
One of the first I watched and I cannot be more grateful.
You broke down those concepts i.e. numbers in such connected, manageable chunks that I am kicking myself for how dumb was I all these years (I am ashamed to admit how long I play) when I didn't see "how beautifully those frequencies are interconnected". You have a natural talent for teaching.
I played one 45 minutes session at 2 heads up tables thinking all the time what does villain's frequencies mean for the strength of his hand.
I feel like I experienced epiphany because I made 157.75 BB/100 after 212 hands just watching a single heads-up video. It is not like I never had a session that good but the confidence with which the result was obtained was incredible.
Irony of the destiny was that I ran into villain (with approx. 200 hands of prior data) who had one of those ridiculous cbet frequencies.
CbetF 75%, CbetT 92%.
What would have been prior frustration of folding turned thanks to your advice into a calldown festival that culminated in winning a 80 BB pot from the BB with KQ vs. his KJs on
9 T 3 7 2 ss board.
Your video alone has paid for essential subscription until 2018.
Cannot wait to watch others.
I know it maybe a little childish to be dishing out praises like this but we live in a world where perfection is assumed and when a hair is out of place then it is all guns blazing in discontent.
So thank you once again.
Now I have one concrete question:
In the last part of the video you have a picture of the c-bet range and of the x-back range.
If we have only 2 options what do 4 colors mean. I find it confusing that you have dark blue, light blue, yellowish and greenish. Could you explain what do those colors mean for a particular hand?
Basically the light blue means all combinations of the cards are still live. The darker blue means those hands (directly) connected with the board, as you see almost all of them contain J's, 9's and 5's. You can somewhat see this as the light blue being draws/overcards (no made hands) and the dark blue being actual made hands. Apart from the overpairs/pocket pairs because these already are made hands themselves :)
The colors are also directly related to the numbers in the right bottom corner of the squares. So you'll see high numbers (4,6,12 - based on the combinations) in the light blues and lower numbers (1,2,3) in the dark blues.
One other thing to look out for is the suited aces section as you see there are 3 combinations that check but one combination that bets.
That was a solid video, it's always good to review this stuff. But I think you forgo to mention the size of our cbet, and I think that's a key-point, could you do a video about it?
Thanks and keep it up
i disagree with what your saying at 25:52 so you talk about combating players frequencies post flop when facing a bet. but then go into this gto style of saying your checking back middle pairs and betting out polarized range and then no longer think about players frequencies. IF the guy has a high fold to cb u bet middle pair. U don't have to check it back and not deny equity. They should be punished for folding to much to a cb. Its kind of ridiculous to exploit peoples tendancies when facing a bet but drop all of that when we lead out. You act like when you cb your playing a static player. But when facing a bet you can adjust to tendencies. Your cute chart doesn't explain what kind of opponent your facing so it doesn't work. It works against a opponent that thinks like it does which doesn't happen in poker. Vs different kind of opponents your value bet and check back range will change based on their post flop tendencies. THe J7s through J2s im betting flop turn and river vs a fish who has 50 vpip. Now if its a guy with vpip of 20 then fine all check back. It all depends the opponent.
One thing I noticed is the absence of monster draws.
Is it best to always c-bet monster draws, to check them most of the times, or to have a somewhat 50-50 balance in betting/checking these?
I had this same exact question. I generally agree with the polarized Cbetting strategy as presented, but I think that monster draws should be barreled vs most opponents. maybe I'm wrong? plus if we get check raised it gives us something to 4bet with.
I loved your lesson, Vincent.
May I put a theoratical question? Is there math behind your advices about frequencies of cbet on the flop? For example why do you consider optimal 45%- 55%? These numbers are only for HU games?
And now a more practical question:
How can I increase my cbet on the flop frequency? What kind of board I have to consider first when I start my learning path?
Somebody else asked this same question, but I didn't see an answer yet. Basically I'm thinking Monster Draws need to be called out separately but I'm not 100% sure how to do that. I'd guess that effective stack size is a big factor....if our stack size is such that we could be happy getting it in on the flop, then we bet more often? and if we're really deep we check back more? obviously villain tendencies matter a lot too...
I'm slightly confused; I really like this video that is listed in the MTT Learning Path, but see that part 2 and part 3 of this series are about HU cashgames only. Does that mean this video is also focused on that format? And does the part about balancing your range also fully apply to MTT's?
Hello
Thanks for the video.
I have a question, hope it is not ridiculus but here we go :
If we follow the slide about Cbetting which says "polarized cbet" and "check back middle range", aren't we exploitabled since our range is capped when we check ?
In other words, if we only check with middle range, there is a lot of turn that won't help us and will be stab by vilain or check raise or river.
Thanks
Arnaud
I'd like to had something, with that range when we CBet and turn is 9 or 5 (on J95r), as we never CBet any 9 or 5 we never hit trips. Shouldn't we balance by adding 2-3 9x and our better 5x in our CBet range to be balanced ? (of course, maybe it's not the best thing to do when we want to expoit)
It would be nice if you put this video in the headsup section or mention it in the video description that this is about HU cbet strategy, also you talk about cbetting frequencies but don't mention anything at all about sizes used in different frequencies.
Watching this for the first time but about 7 min in I have a little confusion as to what the author is explaining. When talking about 70% being to high of a Cbet percentage I think it’s a little misleading saying “70 is to high, just float flops and know that the player will have a weaker range on turns and rivers”. While this is true I do think it is very important to consider the player type the has this high betting frequency. If this is a taggish player, or close to a nit, then they will be starting with a strong range to begin with, so their range will be betting a lot of flops a high percentage of the time. I think the player we are looking for here is a bad aggressive reg, this player will be opening much wider to begin with and then will be cbetting his high frequency and this is the player with the weak ranges on turn and rivers. Just food for thought.
Would like to see more OOP c bet strategies. As this is harder to master then IP. As long as betting some hand more then the nuts and checking back some hands cant go too wrong IP. OOP is alittle different.
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Solid video! I tried to come up with some questions but you covered pretty much everything that should be covered.
I like your cbetting range. My own range is probably not that polarized, since I tend to cbet hands like A9/K9 and strong draws most of the time. I will try to polarize my range a bit from now on and see how that goes!
Thanks for the video! :)
I also like these 25-35 minute concept videos. I would suggest you to keep doing these if you come up with good ideas. There are enough "4 tabling NLXX zoom" videos out there in my opinion.
What do you regard as low/medium/high stats for Bet Turn CB%?
Somewhere around 45-55% I would consider optimal. Be aware it's the barrel turn stat (turn cbet%) we're talking about, not "bet turn%".
What does our Turn CBet and Checking range look like on, say, 2 rainbow? Should our Turn checkback range be able to call a River stab?
On the flop our TPGK+ made up about 11% vs air 48% of the total 59% CBet range so on the turn aiming for about a 50% Turn CBet if we bet all our TPGK+ (~22% of Turn CBet range since we're betting about half as many total combos), then we need to check back a lot of air.
How do we decide what air to check back? Do we check back the best of our air (to maybe call a river stab if we hit our overcard or call Ace high regardless?) so all Ace high, K high, Q high and bluff bet the rest of the air (~37%), for example for total Turn CBet of ~59%?
Should we also Turn check back some of the TPGK, say QJ, JT, J8?
Maybe this topic could be a follow on video?
Yeah this basically comes down to controlling your bluffing frequency. I will definitely make a video about this topic in a not too distant future. For now just be aware that we should always aim to check the middle of our range, bet the top of our range for value, and bluff the bottom of our range to balance (depending on how many value hands we'll have). Obviously this is an oversimplification and there will be times we'll be giving up depending on the board texture etc, but it should give you an idea.
optimally we want out F cbet% 45-55% and T cbet 45-55% and R cbet% 45-55? that when i dont cbet at a hgher rate my Aggression factor is having a hard time maintaining 3 (i play full ring)
Good video. Facing a check raise on that J95 board, after betting, what part of our range do we 4b (or is it 3b?) bluff with? I thought hands that block his 2 pair or set combos would be best but we don't have any mid or bottom pair in our cbet range.
Good question and I don't have a good answer but my suggestion is QT, KT (8 combos) as they block TP QJ, KJ, TJ while having outs to straight. I would have said KQ but again it is in our checking range.
As a standard, without any particular reads or without sufficient history, I would just flat/fold my entire range. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to 3bet value hands when we get checkraised on that flop so we would end up unbalanced if we have a bluffing range there. If I'm facing a villain that incentivizes me to 3bet flops, my entire strategy could potentially change.
What do you recommend for optimum CBet OOP in 3B Pot? What about specific CBet% and Check% on the J95r flop? OOP do you suggest Checking a few more combos of TPGK? Any changes in how you'd play air?
Maybe this topic could be a follow on video.
I talked about cbetting flops in 3B pots quite a bit already in my previous video "Range advantages in 3B pots". A decent cbet percentage is about the same as in SRP's - 45 to 55%. Anything much lower or higher is pretty easy to play against (and exploit).
Thanks, I only joined recently so I'll check out the earlier vid.
Very good video!! More theory vids like this are needed.
Quick Q:
If someone is cbetting very high like 70-75%, and they do not keep up the aggression on turn and river, do you think we should try and play their tendency and virtually ignore the cards?
For example: Player A cbets 75% but checks very often on turn and river. They also have a low cbet turn percent. Should we try and play as much pots as humanely possible against this villain? Obviously many other factors, but I would think against certain opponents/table dynamics you can play any two cards and still exploit the player's tendency.
We should play any hand that will net us more than the EV of folding, which is -100bb/100. So against this villain in particular, if he's opening a lot of hands, we'd probably end up defending the majority of our hands OOP, yes.
"We should play any hand that will net us more than the EV of folding, which is -100bb/100"
What exactly does that mean?
So you agree on playing ATC against very exploitable opponents?
The worse the opponent, the more hands you can start playing OOP. A lot of the value of defending hands comes from villains folding too much IP at some point in the hand. If you fold a big blind vs an openraise you lose 1bb in 1 hand so that makes -100bb/100 for that specific combo. If you can lose less by calling the hand in stead of folding, you'd be playing a more profitable strategy. Where that threshold is for folding/calling vs certain opponents is hard to define, because it simply depends on villain's tendencies and how good you are yourself in exploiting those mistakes.
Great video!
How do you adjust your CBet flop range if you are against a calling station non-believer who is calling a lot pre-flop and calling a lot of flop CBets? Do you CBet a more linear range or stay with a polarised CBet strategy but double barrel more anticipating a high fold to turn CBet?
Depending on villain's tendencies on turn/river, and how likely he is to adjust (and in which direction), I might do one or the other. Or both. But my first option would probably be to start cbetting more linear indeed.
Does it applay for 6 max too?
And if so, how does your OOP SRP betting and checking range differ?
I don't have a lot of experience with 6max, but the concepts definitely apply to many other forms of poker. Only the ranges change, and possibly quite a lot. If you change a 90% opening range (SBvsBB HU) into a 40% opening range (BTNvsblinds 6max), your top/middle/bottom ranges will be completely different. But the concept will stay the same.
Great video, I love these theory videos!
Brilliant video nicely detailed,i appreciated very much the way u make every concept easy to grasp.
I'd like to know in ur example on the J95r flop if u consider checking behind OC such as AQ is because they have some SDV or because they can block some SD or GS? Why cbetting these hands would be a mistake as we consider them as strong airs?
Thanks a lot!
C-betting AQ wouldn't be a "mistake" per se. I think c-betting AQ there is perfectly fine as well in a vacuum. It's just that we need to have a certain amount of hands in our checkback range to control our frequency/balance. When we are defining the middle of our range, I think it makes sense to start checking back hands with some SDV, or stuff we can potentially call/raise turnstabs with. Even if we end up folding the turn, it's not a big deal, because our range is plenty protected there with better hands as well, which means villain can't exploit us by simply stabbing turns every time we check back. Villain would be exploiting himself.
Thanks again for ur answer,looking forward to seeing ur next videos.GL on tables.
Glad I stumbled on this video, loved it! Excited to watch the rest of your videos.
Awesome video. I was looking to improve my cbetting and this helps with clarity in thought process :)
@22:00 - You said high turn cbets are unlikely for those with low flop cbets. Shouldn't it be the opposite, since, on flops they cbet, they are getting to turn with a stronger range than those who cbet more. ?
It would make some sense but I ment that it's not common at all to see people with a very low cbet% to have a very high turnbet%. They are mostly the type of players that go for a lot of pot control and take passive lines in general.
Nice little vid. Any plans to follow this up with a turn cbet vid?
Thanks! At some point in time I will definitely cover turnspots in more detail.
This is honestly a lot better than much of the elite content out there.
One of the best replies so far ;) Thank you.
Can i suggest you do a video on "How to adjust to a high 3bet%". Just as you have done here would be great, examining the diff strats and some hand examples in how you played vs a high or low polar/non polar range.
Great work
Added this to my notes, I have some other things coming up first but might eventually fulfill your request! Thanks for the tip.
Excellent video. My question for you is this: J95 appears to be a board where the OOP player has a range advantage, yet here we are cbetting 59%. Isn't this a bit on the high side considering this board texture? Before watching this video, my default was to check behind way more of the aces and some of the kings, but perhaps I am checking behind too much.
Why would the OOP player have a range advantage? OOP's range usually doesn't include AA-JJ/AJ/99/KJs/95o/J5o and I would think it has way less Jx combos in general as well.
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of him flatting AJ, KJ, QJ, JT,J9, J8o, J7s to our 3bet, and since we rarely have those middle combos (J8o-QJ) then his range would be stronger. I admit I didn't actually do the math out though so maybe you're right.
There is no 3bet in the hand example in this video. It's a single raised pot.
Whoops, my mistake. Still, wouldn't you agree that a BB flatting range pre flop is weighted more toward Qx, Jx, and 9x? These hands seem to hit this board fairly hard.
Relative combo wise, maybe... But SB definitely has a higher absolute number of combo's Q/J/T/9 since he opens all of them, but BB doesn't defend all of them - not by far.
It's great Vincent.
Maybe I'm wrong, but in heads up poker we are always in position when we have the possibility to cbet. Am I right?
Because I'm a six max player, and I think in that game OOP/IP cbet strategy is a little bit different.
How can I adjust that your complete strategy for six max?
For example this one:
Balanced c-betting
Cbet polarized, top and bottom of our range
Nuts
TPGK
Weak air/draws
Checking back middle of our range
TPMK, TPWK
2nd / 3rd pairs
Strong air/draws
Thank you so much! T79
I think it's better to target this question to one of the 6-max coaches on RIO, since I have very little experience in ring games. :-)
Thank you for the fast answer!
I'm simply happy if my suggestion was right. /always IP in cbet pots/
For 6-max view DJUNKELL's "essential level" video dated 16th April 2015 where he analyses ranges in a BB 3B vs BTN scenario. You'll see how his 3B range construction for 6-max is similar to Vincent's but also somewhat different. Briefly, DJUNKELL has less bluffs to value combos but otherwise the ranges are very similar. You'll also see how DJUNKELL constructs CBet range OOP on both flop, turn and river as analysed by GTORB. DJUNKELL discusses similar concepts to Vincent as regards top and bottom of ranges.
Thanks dude, I will check it!
Vincent, thanks a lot for this video! truly great and very revealing especially for a player with MTT background like myself!
One of the themes i'm really struggling to comprehend is is why good HU players seem to clearly de-prioritize things like "equity protection" or "denying opponent hisequity". clearly on 852 flop it's not a bad result to take down the pot with cbet if you hold 65o vs two random overcards (along the lines of " valuebluffing series" by Daniel Dvoress), and it's going to be applicable on majority of flops when you hold 2nd pair type hand. Why are you (and apparently all of other good HU players) much more concerned about things like "not being called down by worst" or "being only called down by better" more than with denying your oponent and equity when you hold 2nd pair and alike?
Thank a lot for response! great video! i wish more elite HU coaches made concept videos just like you :)
Fantastic video. Thanks a ton.
One of the first I watched and I cannot be more grateful.
You broke down those concepts i.e. numbers in such connected, manageable chunks that I am kicking myself for how dumb was I all these years (I am ashamed to admit how long I play) when I didn't see "how beautifully those frequencies are interconnected". You have a natural talent for teaching.
I played one 45 minutes session at 2 heads up tables thinking all the time what does villain's frequencies mean for the strength of his hand.
I feel like I experienced epiphany because I made 157.75 BB/100 after 212 hands just watching a single heads-up video. It is not like I never had a session that good but the confidence with which the result was obtained was incredible.
Irony of the destiny was that I ran into villain (with approx. 200 hands of prior data) who had one of those ridiculous cbet frequencies.
CbetF 75%, CbetT 92%.
What would have been prior frustration of folding turned thanks to your advice into a calldown festival that culminated in winning a 80 BB pot from the BB with KQ vs. his KJs on
9 T 3 7 2 ss board.
Your video alone has paid for essential subscription until 2018.
Cannot wait to watch others.
I know it maybe a little childish to be dishing out praises like this but we live in a world where perfection is assumed and when a hair is out of place then it is all guns blazing in discontent.
So thank you once again.
Now I have one concrete question:
In the last part of the video you have a picture of the c-bet range and of the x-back range.
If we have only 2 options what do 4 colors mean. I find it confusing that you have dark blue, light blue, yellowish and greenish. Could you explain what do those colors mean for a particular hand?
Basically the light blue means all combinations of the cards are still live. The darker blue means those hands (directly) connected with the board, as you see almost all of them contain J's, 9's and 5's. You can somewhat see this as the light blue being draws/overcards (no made hands) and the dark blue being actual made hands. Apart from the overpairs/pocket pairs because these already are made hands themselves :)
The colors are also directly related to the numbers in the right bottom corner of the squares. So you'll see high numbers (4,6,12 - based on the combinations) in the light blues and lower numbers (1,2,3) in the dark blues.
One other thing to look out for is the suited aces section as you see there are 3 combinations that check but one combination that bets.
Very good video.
That was a solid video, it's always good to review this stuff. But I think you forgo to mention the size of our cbet, and I think that's a key-point, could you do a video about it?
Thanks and keep it up
i disagree with what your saying at 25:52 so you talk about combating players frequencies post flop when facing a bet. but then go into this gto style of saying your checking back middle pairs and betting out polarized range and then no longer think about players frequencies. IF the guy has a high fold to cb u bet middle pair. U don't have to check it back and not deny equity. They should be punished for folding to much to a cb. Its kind of ridiculous to exploit peoples tendancies when facing a bet but drop all of that when we lead out. You act like when you cb your playing a static player. But when facing a bet you can adjust to tendencies. Your cute chart doesn't explain what kind of opponent your facing so it doesn't work. It works against a opponent that thinks like it does which doesn't happen in poker. Vs different kind of opponents your value bet and check back range will change based on their post flop tendencies. THe J7s through J2s im betting flop turn and river vs a fish who has 50 vpip. Now if its a guy with vpip of 20 then fine all check back. It all depends the opponent.
One thing I noticed is the absence of monster draws.
Is it best to always c-bet monster draws, to check them most of the times, or to have a somewhat 50-50 balance in betting/checking these?
I had this same exact question. I generally agree with the polarized Cbetting strategy as presented, but I think that monster draws should be barreled vs most opponents. maybe I'm wrong? plus if we get check raised it gives us something to 4bet with.
I loved your lesson, Vincent.
May I put a theoratical question? Is there math behind your advices about frequencies of cbet on the flop? For example why do you consider optimal 45%- 55%? These numbers are only for HU games?
And now a more practical question:
How can I increase my cbet on the flop frequency? What kind of board I have to consider first when I start my learning path?
is this only for heads up?
Very useful video. Thanks!
Somebody else asked this same question, but I didn't see an answer yet. Basically I'm thinking Monster Draws need to be called out separately but I'm not 100% sure how to do that. I'd guess that effective stack size is a big factor....if our stack size is such that we could be happy getting it in on the flop, then we bet more often? and if we're really deep we check back more? obviously villain tendencies matter a lot too...
I'm slightly confused; I really like this video that is listed in the MTT Learning Path, but see that part 2 and part 3 of this series are about HU cashgames only. Does that mean this video is also focused on that format? And does the part about balancing your range also fully apply to MTT's?
I guess it's time to throw my ed miller 1% book away. I thought 70% betting on the flop 2/1 value to bluff was a good strategy.
Hello
Thanks for the video.
I have a question, hope it is not ridiculus but here we go :
If we follow the slide about Cbetting which says "polarized cbet" and "check back middle range", aren't we exploitabled since our range is capped when we check ?
In other words, if we only check with middle range, there is a lot of turn that won't help us and will be stab by vilain or check raise or river.
Thanks
Arnaud
Hello,
I'd like to had something, with that range when we CBet and turn is 9 or 5 (on J95r), as we never CBet any 9 or 5 we never hit trips. Shouldn't we balance by adding 2-3 9x and our better 5x in our CBet range to be balanced ? (of course, maybe it's not the best thing to do when we want to expoit)
thanks in advance for the answer
Vincent V
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really like you're vids Vincent V
very helpful video ive been stabbin too many turns vs low cbetters recently
what sort of polarised range would we have on the turn?
It would be nice if you put this video in the headsup section or mention it in the video description that this is about HU cbet strategy, also you talk about cbetting frequencies but don't mention anything at all about sizes used in different frequencies.
How shallow is too shallow in an MTT to continue to be calling wider this the intent of checkraising someone that cbets too much?
Watching this for the first time but about 7 min in I have a little confusion as to what the author is explaining. When talking about 70% being to high of a Cbet percentage I think it’s a little misleading saying “70 is to high, just float flops and know that the player will have a weaker range on turns and rivers”. While this is true I do think it is very important to consider the player type the has this high betting frequency. If this is a taggish player, or close to a nit, then they will be starting with a strong range to begin with, so their range will be betting a lot of flops a high percentage of the time. I think the player we are looking for here is a bad aggressive reg, this player will be opening much wider to begin with and then will be cbetting his high frequency and this is the player with the weak ranges on turn and rivers. Just food for thought.
Would like to see more OOP c bet strategies. As this is harder to master then IP. As long as betting some hand more then the nuts and checking back some hands cant go too wrong IP. OOP is alittle different.
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