At 33:00 the A5h hand, I gave the SB a somewhat reg cold calling range and A5h is doing about 63% against this cold calling range. Then I gave a somewhat reasonable SB X/R raising range, basically containing no air so concentrated with Qs-10s 8s, but some flush draws like KQh,QJh, and very occasional 9s containing a heart, our range has around 43% equity. So my question is, after the SB X/R on the flop, given the size of the pot 4.6 and hero has effective 8.5 (villain has shorter stack) left behind, if not for the consideration of protecting our range, isn't it profitable to shove (20.47*0.43 = 8.8 >8.5), and this is assuming that villain is always raise calling? I mean there is rake consideration of course, but it feels like on a turn that is not a heart, not a 5, and not an A, villain overbet shoves (I mean even on a offsuit 4 turn like you said, a lot of the population just don't know what to do and shoves with Js), we have to fold always (whereas if we get it in with Js on the flop we should actually be a slight favorite) and feels like we are being denied so much equity (even bluffed off by hands like KQh and QJh). But if we shoved in the first place, we realize our equity and to say the least it's break even shove.
And just in general, do you think it's profitable to develop a calling range in the SB when UTG/HJ opens, because I think hands like AJs, KQs, Js always get me into reverse implied odds situations.
I agree with pretty much everything you say here. I also felt like the flop bet sizing was way weak. What are we trying to accomplish with 68 cents? I feel like a larger bet like $1 or a check behind would have been superior. Then this bet gets raised to an awkward sizing where it's hard to imagine you have much fold equity to a jam but on the flip side you definitely can't justify a fold and protecting your equity seems superior to me as you can't make bad mistakes further down the line like hero ended up doing here where he gave two expensive streets of value up being dead. For instance in this case where Hero didn't jam because he didn't see villain calling with anything where hero would end up +EV would have realized much more EV by getting it in on the flop despite the "result" being that he would have lost to a full house anyhow.
Great video Peter. Can you speak a little more as to what a block-betting range in that KTo vs 85s hand might look like? Are we incentivized towards balancing nutted combos into the block-betting range or just accepting that we're completely capped in that line, and that's okay. If so, is it problematic at all that when we block bet, we should essentially never call a re-raise? Thanks again for the great video, hope to see more like this - really extracted a lot from your dialogue with a student.
I really want to see a series of videos like this where 2 or 3 different pros from a few different stakes (not more than a couple levels higher) review the same set of hands so we can get a few points of view and see if and how their opinions vary
Is the blocker bet on the last hand sufficient enough? Obviously we dont want to go too big, but with a bet that small are we ever potentially making it look weak enough that we risk villain turning some kind of hand into a bluff and coming over the top? It's not uncommon for me to see guys bet tiny on a river and then turn over something ridiculous when I call. As though they are just betting because they think for some reason they are supposed to bet, but don't actually know why or what they are trying to accomplish. I also feel at these stakes most of the time , if villain has a marginal hand they are just going to check back, and if they fire its only going to be with the flush and we can fold. Saving ourselves the cost of the blocker bet.
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Hi, great video as always.
At 33:00 the A5h hand, I gave the SB a somewhat reg cold calling range and A5h is doing about 63% against this cold calling range. Then I gave a somewhat reasonable SB X/R raising range, basically containing no air so concentrated with Qs-10s 8s, but some flush draws like KQh,QJh, and very occasional 9s containing a heart, our range has around 43% equity. So my question is, after the SB X/R on the flop, given the size of the pot 4.6 and hero has effective 8.5 (villain has shorter stack) left behind, if not for the consideration of protecting our range, isn't it profitable to shove (20.47*0.43 = 8.8 >8.5), and this is assuming that villain is always raise calling? I mean there is rake consideration of course, but it feels like on a turn that is not a heart, not a 5, and not an A, villain overbet shoves (I mean even on a offsuit 4 turn like you said, a lot of the population just don't know what to do and shoves with Js), we have to fold always (whereas if we get it in with Js on the flop we should actually be a slight favorite) and feels like we are being denied so much equity (even bluffed off by hands like KQh and QJh). But if we shoved in the first place, we realize our equity and to say the least it's break even shove.
And just in general, do you think it's profitable to develop a calling range in the SB when UTG/HJ opens, because I think hands like AJs, KQs, Js always get me into reverse implied odds situations.
Thank you!
I agree with pretty much everything you say here. I also felt like the flop bet sizing was way weak. What are we trying to accomplish with 68 cents? I feel like a larger bet like $1 or a check behind would have been superior. Then this bet gets raised to an awkward sizing where it's hard to imagine you have much fold equity to a jam but on the flip side you definitely can't justify a fold and protecting your equity seems superior to me as you can't make bad mistakes further down the line like hero ended up doing here where he gave two expensive streets of value up being dead. For instance in this case where Hero didn't jam because he didn't see villain calling with anything where hero would end up +EV would have realized much more EV by getting it in on the flop despite the "result" being that he would have lost to a full house anyhow.
Great video Pete, i appreciate you integrating both the mental and technical aspects of Cem's progress.
Great video Peter. Can you speak a little more as to what a block-betting range in that KTo vs 85s hand might look like? Are we incentivized towards balancing nutted combos into the block-betting range or just accepting that we're completely capped in that line, and that's okay. If so, is it problematic at all that when we block bet, we should essentially never call a re-raise? Thanks again for the great video, hope to see more like this - really extracted a lot from your dialogue with a student.
great question, would also like to know the answer to this
I really want to see a series of videos like this where 2 or 3 different pros from a few different stakes (not more than a couple levels higher) review the same set of hands so we can get a few points of view and see if and how their opinions vary
Is the blocker bet on the last hand sufficient enough? Obviously we dont want to go too big, but with a bet that small are we ever potentially making it look weak enough that we risk villain turning some kind of hand into a bluff and coming over the top? It's not uncommon for me to see guys bet tiny on a river and then turn over something ridiculous when I call. As though they are just betting because they think for some reason they are supposed to bet, but don't actually know why or what they are trying to accomplish. I also feel at these stakes most of the time , if villain has a marginal hand they are just going to check back, and if they fire its only going to be with the flush and we can fold. Saving ourselves the cost of the blocker bet.
Great video. Concepts very clearly explained.
Exceptional video, pete. Watching it so long after these were released, were totally worth it :)
tata, totally worth it indeed. thanks Peter!
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