Coach Clash: Paul Atwal vs Nuno Alvarez (part 2)

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Coach Clash: Paul Atwal vs Nuno Alvarez (part 2)

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POSTED Jun 25, 2018

Paul Atwal aka shifftyy and Nuno Alvarez aka CheckRais3r continue battling at HUNL while breaking down their thoughts on GTO as well as simplified strategies for varying spots. The video focuses on exploring reasonable sizings for each player's ranges and demonstrates the differing approaches of Nuno (a HUNL specialist) and Paul (a 6-max specialist).

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zache86 6 years, 9 months ago

Hi guys, nice video!
I'm curious about the ch/r hand A4o vs Q9o (min ~25)... so obv the post is for both of you.

I haven't runned the sim, but i don't think oop should be checking the turn as much as you talked on the vid with this particular combo, therefore the difference in range perceptions (imo).

I guess Nuno's perception of Paul's range is weighed towards Ax and not that many 2pair,that's why i guess he overbetted river.
At first glance i couldn't tell if you were bluffing or valubetting for that size and suddenly Paul said he loved Nuno's sizing ,which confused me quite a bit.
I would have made a std river bet (3/4) mapping those Ax and leaving the bigger size for AQ+.

Thoughts ?

Hope it was not that confusing of a post :)

Paul Atwal 6 years, 9 months ago

I haven't runned the sim, but i don't think oop should be checking the turn as much as you talked on the vid with this particular combo, therefore the difference in range perceptions (imo).

The HU sim I'm currently looking at agrees with you. Nice catch :P

At first glance i couldn't tell if you were bluffing or valubetting for that size and suddenly Paul said he loved Nuno's sizing ,which confused me quite a bit.
I would have made a std river bet (3/4) mapping those Ax and leaving the bigger size for AQ+.

The sim also, surprisingly to me, plays almost all Q9 combos as a river check with this action. This is despite having the option to bet smaller. The sick thing is that his exact combo is the only one that ever shoves river (around 50%). It's worth noting that PIO likes overbetting turn a lot as IP after xr x, but Nuno's particular combo is mostly betting this mediumish sizing (so he nailed that).

zache86 6 years, 9 months ago

All right then i was not that far

Interesting Nuno's particular combo shoves the river from time to time; of course as a bluff having almost every set to balance that line (except for kkk i guess).

Nice hand and very interesting discussion

Nuno Alvarez 6 years, 9 months ago

Haven’t reviewed the spot myself but I’d say there’s no chance my hand needs to get bluffed here, ever. I’m mot at home at the moment but will run the sim and post it with my thoughts as soon as I can.

Nuno Alvarez 6 years, 9 months ago

Alright so I just ran the sim with the exact parameters from the hand and wanted to share my thoughts here.

Pretty standard raising range by OOP here. A4 seems to be the only 2 pair combo that's not playing as a pure raise but still obviously a fine raise candidate.

Nothing too interesting, just posting it because some people (specially 6 Max players) would probably underdefend quite dramatically here.

As Paul said, the Q is indeed a better card for IP. It's quite clear that every card among the T and the K tend to favor IP player just because of the nature of the preflop ranges. It's quite surprising to me to see A4 betting that much anyway. I'd have thought that he was supposed to play a more polarized strategy here and therefore mix more checks with his particular holding.

Some checks happening here with my hand. At the time I remember that my combo felt like a pure bet mostly because of the fact that I expected your range to contain quite a lot of naked Ax hands that I unblocked and wanted to get value from.

Here seems to be where I missplayed the most on this hand. My range is supposed to be played as an overbet or shove only which makes total sense when we realize that even a hand as weak as 94s can go all in for value vs a somewhat capped range and still generate enough calls from naked Ax hands that are supposed to defend sometimes. My particular combo seems to be mostly checking back and using primarily the all in size when betting.

It's also quite interesting that 94s it's doing way more shoving than Q9/Q9s reason being that A4 it's a big part of OOP bluffcatching range, therefore blocking the 4 when shoving for value (as well as a bluff) it's very important.

This would probably seem quite crazy for 6 Max players again haha. I totally understand how some people may think that shoving 94s or even Q9 IP it's a bluff but it's very important to understand how capped OOP range is and how high those 2 pair hands are in our range at this point.

From Paul perspective, vs my wrong size, his particular hand it's a trivial and obviously correct call.

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