Why do you no longer place on there?
Secondly, do you think there is still good money to be won, or is it no longer worth it due to the risk from collusion?
There's definitely still good money to be won, I still have friends who play these games and are doing very well. I'm just not a fan of the hassle with withdrawals, all the fees, as well as the uncertainty of it. The games would have to be a lot more profitable than my next best option which I don't think they are.
Not sure how you're getting the 10%, if you're thinking that since the other player pays rake when you lose the pot; the same thing will happen when you don't pay rake off a losing session. There can certainly be benefits to the 5% off winning sessions rake structure, specifically for HU poker, but the fact that it's uncapped rake is pretty significant, and the games being time limited ensures you can't grind the same table for too long.
I did some analysis a while back about the 5% winning session rake. At the lower stakes its better or comparable to the equivalent stakes on .com games assuming 3$ cap. Its at 40/80 sorts of limits which is comparable to a 10/20usd game where the rake gets quite a bit worse.
However recently some clubs are charging 6-7%, forcing everyone to buy some all in insurance. Then of course theres withdrawal fees and no RB bonuses usually. So in the end makes it a lot less enticing.
I know a pretty powerful computer is need to multitable on these sites. Do you know whether you can rent a server and play frm there is a viable option?
Thank you for the video! I've recently started playing at oh poker (very similar to PM) through an agent. It has time limit of 2 hours, which usually ends earlier due to game breaking, or ends up in very shorthanded.
I feel that bad players remain more often as game breaks, so I am tempted to stay to get max EV (blind structure for example is 20/40/40, meaning two big blinds instead of straddle, as well as ante of 20).
How would you adjust to this abrupt change in format everytime when you result in heads up or 3, 4 handed with little information on our opponents?
So ignoring heads up, going from 6-7 handed to 3-4handed isn't going to be much of a difference in terms of strategy (for example, whether the CO folds or just isn't there our BTN opening range should be the same). I would make sure to pay attention to how the other players are adjusting, since many of our weaker opponents might change their strategy for the change in the number of players, but I wouldn't make any drastic adjustments until I see other players doing so.
When it comes to getting down to HU, I would pretty much ignore most of what I've seen from the player with 5-8 people at the table and assume I know the player type (whether he is a fun player or a regular) but not make many assumptions about his strategy. HU play differs quite a bit from other formats mainly because of the change in blind structure (especially if we are now taking away the straddle and have deeper stacks), so players will tend to have completely different approaches to HU vs. other formats.
Hey, great video,I have been looking for materials about games like this structure a lot. Did you study anything specifically for this kind of format or did you just play it out with your poker knowledge in the past?It feels somewhat different from the traditional structure especially when everybody is in for 50 straddle. I'm really looking for a way to improve my game in this structure, any recommendations?
With PokerSnowie you could adjust game conditions to get an approximation of what ranges tend to look like at a game with 3 blinds and high antes. Not 100% accurate of course, but its a start point!
The strategies players are using in these games are so far from optimal I wouldn't worry too much about knowing optimal frequencies or ranges for the specific format, but rather focus on player pool tendencies and player exploits; this is basically how I approached these games. Obviously you want to be looser overall, and so its certainly important to do a bunch of analysis of postflop play using wider ranges since they will be quite different from what you do in regular games, but in general I would spend most of my time focusing on player specific exploits.
Additionally, having a strong understanding of game theory will allow you to intuitively adjust to any new game format thrown at you ;)
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Why do you no longer place on there?
Secondly, do you think there is still good money to be won, or is it no longer worth it due to the risk from collusion?
Hey,
There's definitely still good money to be won, I still have friends who play these games and are doing very well. I'm just not a fan of the hassle with withdrawals, all the fees, as well as the uncertainty of it. The games would have to be a lot more profitable than my next best option which I don't think they are.
Wow the rake in the games where i played in the us was much higher.
5% on winning sessions would be the best rake ever, since normally u pay 5% online which amounts to 10% on every pot you win.
Not paying when u lose and only at the end would be the sickest rake structure ever.
Hey,
Not sure how you're getting the 10%, if you're thinking that since the other player pays rake when you lose the pot; the same thing will happen when you don't pay rake off a losing session. There can certainly be benefits to the 5% off winning sessions rake structure, specifically for HU poker, but the fact that it's uncapped rake is pretty significant, and the games being time limited ensures you can't grind the same table for too long.
I did some analysis a while back about the 5% winning session rake. At the lower stakes its better or comparable to the equivalent stakes on .com games assuming 3$ cap. Its at 40/80 sorts of limits which is comparable to a 10/20usd game where the rake gets quite a bit worse.
However recently some clubs are charging 6-7%, forcing everyone to buy some all in insurance. Then of course theres withdrawal fees and no RB bonuses usually. So in the end makes it a lot less enticing.
Hey Phil Galfond, let us throw poop in rio poker pleasee!
+1 Sickest part of the apps is the emojis. Poker rooms can learn a lot from these apps imo. Antes and games designed to increase fun.
Yes ! This would be the coup de grace that would establish Run It Once Poker as the unequivocal industry leader.
How do I tag Phil in this post...
I know a pretty powerful computer is need to multitable on these sites. Do you know whether you can rent a server and play frm there is a viable option?
Hey,
I'm afraid I wouldn't know much about this, when I played on these sites the computer emulators were still very glitchy so I just used iPads.
So many scammers players and agents there. Dont put your money there
Thank you for the video! I've recently started playing at oh poker (very similar to PM) through an agent. It has time limit of 2 hours, which usually ends earlier due to game breaking, or ends up in very shorthanded.
I feel that bad players remain more often as game breaks, so I am tempted to stay to get max EV (blind structure for example is 20/40/40, meaning two big blinds instead of straddle, as well as ante of 20).
How would you adjust to this abrupt change in format everytime when you result in heads up or 3, 4 handed with little information on our opponents?
Hey,
So ignoring heads up, going from 6-7 handed to 3-4handed isn't going to be much of a difference in terms of strategy (for example, whether the CO folds or just isn't there our BTN opening range should be the same). I would make sure to pay attention to how the other players are adjusting, since many of our weaker opponents might change their strategy for the change in the number of players, but I wouldn't make any drastic adjustments until I see other players doing so.
When it comes to getting down to HU, I would pretty much ignore most of what I've seen from the player with 5-8 people at the table and assume I know the player type (whether he is a fun player or a regular) but not make many assumptions about his strategy. HU play differs quite a bit from other formats mainly because of the change in blind structure (especially if we are now taking away the straddle and have deeper stacks), so players will tend to have completely different approaches to HU vs. other formats.
Cheers.
Hey, great video,I have been looking for materials about games like this structure a lot. Did you study anything specifically for this kind of format or did you just play it out with your poker knowledge in the past?It feels somewhat different from the traditional structure especially when everybody is in for 50 straddle. I'm really looking for a way to improve my game in this structure, any recommendations?
With PokerSnowie you could adjust game conditions to get an approximation of what ranges tend to look like at a game with 3 blinds and high antes. Not 100% accurate of course, but its a start point!
The strategies players are using in these games are so far from optimal I wouldn't worry too much about knowing optimal frequencies or ranges for the specific format, but rather focus on player pool tendencies and player exploits; this is basically how I approached these games. Obviously you want to be looser overall, and so its certainly important to do a bunch of analysis of postflop play using wider ranges since they will be quite different from what you do in regular games, but in general I would spend most of my time focusing on player specific exploits.
Additionally, having a strong understanding of game theory will allow you to intuitively adjust to any new game format thrown at you ;)
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Great to see videos on crushing soft sites like this
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