3 Table $.25/$.50 6max Zoom NLHE Live Session
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Do you still think the A8 hand around 13:00 is a fold on turn? You are getting 4.2:1 on a call which is good enough odds against any str8. He could have a worse 8 or be bluffing and he will give up on river a lot in these cases. I think we can call turn and fold to most river bets if we don't improve to a full house. Against a normal raise sizing by him I could see a fold being right though.
for me this is a clear call. At least on the turn. So often he'll go for pot with his nutted hand and there it will be easy fold.
On turn you have implied odd against his st8 and full house if you hit (SO CHEAPLY) on river. + i really think he still can have a worse 8....
Yea I'm inclined to agree. Vs an unknown fish I expect to be beat a lot OTT unless he's overplaying some weaker 8x. That said, I would expect most of his 8x to raise flop before raising this particular turn, potentially weighting his range more towards straights/boats. In hindsight I do think my turn fold is a mistake so calling turn and folding river (vs a large sizing) seems better as a default.
very good videos :D btw in 3b pots i usually bet 50-55% of the pots.. but what you thing is a good sizing in 4b pots? 40%? 30%? if 100bbs,, if you are deeper like 200bbs vs 200bbs in 4b or 3b pots you sizing bigger? for exemple 50% on 4b pot? or is the same?
Ty mate! Sizing is always something I'm trying to improve. I generally size my range in 4bps based on the board texture. For example, on a wet/more connected texture (where the turn and rivers are more likely to weaken my hand/range), i'll typically use a larger sizing in order to GII over two streets. Conversely on drier textures where we're not afraid of any run-outs (and where we usually have a decent range advantage), I'm more inclined to go over three streets (leaving at least 60% pot OTR)
Hi, very good video! I have a quesition. In min:20 top left you check back with middlepair an flushdraw. Why don´t you check back Axs instead? Every overcard is bad for your hand, and you have to fold at least on the river. When you have Axs and an A comes on the turn or river, it increases the bluffingfrequency from Villain,and you have showdownvalue vs Kx or Qx hands, and you give him the possibiliy to make a flush, even the chances are small, that he actually holds a flushdraw himself!
Hey! If you ignore the FD then our hand is a very marginal SD hand that can get only one or two streets of value. I sort of view the FD as an added bonus/backup that we can use to protect the rest of our range (mostly A/Kx and some weaker pairs). Also, if he does happen to have a higher FD we don't really want to bloat the pot as we're going to lose a much bigger pot if we're forced to bet/call flop and we both improve to a flush.
U mention u 3bet/call AK IP to keep his bluffs in. Makes sense if u say it that way, but what about the fact that most of the time when he bluffs Ax and we have Ax an Ace doesnt come OTF, he bets and we fold? I mean like, if the flop is Txx, 378, Jxx, Qxx, do u plan on calling with AK OTF?
Usually calling at least one barrel with AK unless the flop is really bad for his range and he continues his aggression (which generally weights his range more towards value). It is also nice to have some protection on A/Kx turns and rivers and there should be some decent implied-odds if he does indeed have a bluff.
Cameron - At 4:30 with AA otb, cbetting kqx ccs. A spot I really struggle with is having an overpair on a drawy board facing a turn check raise. If the turn makes the flush and we bet for thin value, do you just fold to a c/r on the turn or call one and plan on folding river? Also, if the turn comes 2 brick and he c/r's the turn 3-4x, is the plan to call turn and call him down on any non-flush completing river?
I play on anonymous tables facing no history on Bovada @ 50 and 100NL. I find this spot tough because I never know what they are doing it with and in my experiences often end up calling them down, but it feels so tight to fold to c/r's with the top-ish part of my range (aside from KQ and sets). Deep down in my mind I know that anyone c/r'ing the turn or river is a really strong line at 50NL, but I'm afraid of being overly nitty and just folding the turn with overs and giving them credit.
Is it ok to play the turn nitty to c/r's and just fold if the flush completes the turn? Also, planning on calling the turn c/r on bricks and folding to a decent river bet on flush completing cards? This is the plan I'm going to start taking vs. a guy I have no history with I think. Thanks!
You have to keep in mind that his range is very wide/weak from BB (he never has KK/QQ/AK, and may not even have AQ or KQ). While we do block some of his bluffs when holding AAxc, I wouldn't be looking to fold to a turn XR. I find that people tend to have fairly low river aggression stats (especially at the micros), so I may decide to call turn and fold river vs an unknown.
At 14:55 table 3. You say villain probably has some weaker pairs 33-77, 99-JJ, 8x etc, which will always check back river. Given his bet-size gives a very reliable tell that his hand strength is either a weak made hand, or a draw, it seems like a pretty reasonable spot to c/r. He may well fold out most of his weak made hands here, or even extract some value if he decides to call 1 putting you on a hand similar to the one he had. It doesn't matter when he folds those made hands though, as he will check back river unimproved anyway, but we get some value from FDs too, which will likely call a turn c/r.
Just seems silly to put him on a range of hands exclusively worse than yours, which will all check back river unimproved and decided that check-calling turn is optimal, he just freerolls improving/getting you to fold and can v-bet whenever he gets there.
Think i prefer a c/call vs a larger sizing, vs someone who may 2-barrel some draws, but in this spot I disagree
While I think his sizing is fairly indicative of his hand strength (ie. we're almost always ahead OTT), I would be careful taking such mergy/thin-value lines in the absence of reads. It's a good thing that you're conscious of this spot (in the sense that he does sort of freeroll us here), but I would like some more concrete reads before I take such exploitative lines. Further, he does sometimes bluff river UI (on less bricky rivers for example), and we can play fairly well vs his range OTR.
Hey Cameron, good vid as usual.
I was just wondering wrt the betsizing you use when you're cbetting as the PFR and when stabbing ip vs missed cbets from villains.
In some spots I see you using the 55% pots and in others the 79% pot. What's the deciding factor for you when choosing your sizing? I can imagine on certain boards that are very drawy or where you have a signifcant range advantage you might want to bet bigger, but I'm always kinda lost on this subject. What changes when it's multiway? How do you alter your sizing?
I also read somewhere you've started coaching, what are your rates and your methods?
Thanks in advance man, you're a good addition to this site!
Hey mate, I appreciate the kind words. I'm always tweaking/trying to improve my bet-sizing but generally something along these lines: 55% stab both IP and OOP (allows us to bet thinly/wide for value/protection and gives us great odds on our bluffs - especially effective at lower stakes where people check-fold way too often as PFR). 55% cb as PFR vs BB (it forces BB to defend really wide OTF which is incredibly difficult given how wide their range is). 55% cb in multi-way spots for similar reasons to stabbing sizing (also allows me to go wider for value - not narrowing calling ranges too much). 80% from UTG/ normal CB vs most pos / turn barrel (my range is stronger now so my sizing should reflect that). I will deviate a lot vs weaker players and sometimes size smaller on paired boards/pairing turns/ 4 flush and 4 straight rivers.
You mention 55% vs bb given their wide range, but like you could also argue that their range is capped pre, often you have the nuttier range so some valuebets want to get a lot of money in and therefore you want to use a larger sizing. Like even if you bet 70% he still has to defend pretty wide which is still very hard. Why do you think that reasoning is wrong? (or well, why do you still prefer your own sizing?)
From a theory stand point that may be correct but I personally prefer to use a smaller sizing vs BB (especially from LP where our range is also wideish). From EP I might size larger on some textures to reflect this advantage however I've always struggled in BB vs barrels so I like to give them a taste of their own medicine!
But like, often we open like 15% from MP and he calls 7% CO so we will have a big disadvantage on A LOT of boards so dont we wanna bet smaller then? (fwiw if I am asking too much let me know and I will shut up since I understand u can't give walls of advice 4 free)
If the board is unfavourable or we're at a significant range disadvantage then I'd be looking to check a lot of my range OTF, in turn strengthening/polarising my betting range. To be honest I have no idea as to what is correct or 'optimal', however I'm constantly tweaking things and trying to improve on such areas. No problems at all.
Good video as usual, Around 38 mins top left you list some hands you would check call the flop, you say you would check call 33, was this an accident? It would surprise me if that was your standard play with 33, seems like one of the first hands im happy to let go facing a bet, Cheers!
Thanks! It does seem looseish but I think we should be continuing in this spot vs a CO cold-call. We have almost 40% equity with 33 on 458r vs a typical CO cc range (something like 66-TT, ASB, AQ) as more than half of his range is Ax/overs (combinatorically speaking). Based on this information + population assumptions -> cb 33 and check-folding turns seems reasonable (given they won't float too wide or turn Ax into a bluff). I think check-calling can be fine with reads but I definitely prefer to cb in this spot and reevaluate turn
Hey Cameron, fantastic video. What's the biggest downswing you have had at zoom tables so far?
Hey Cameron nice vid, I've been watching a lot of your live play vids and I think a lot of your thought process is really solid. Hope you make more vids like this!
"So we get absolutely owned" funny hand at 42 lol made me laugh.
Great video!
I saw you opening 22 UTG, what's your opinion on opening low PPs UTG?
According to my DB I'm making money opening all PP's from all positions. That said, I would fold them from UTG on tougher tables.
Awesome Videos Cameron. I have a question hoping you can shed some light on. When in the blinds and facing an open.. and I am holding A2s-A5s, if my hud doesn't have a break down of open% by position how can I better determine when is it a good time to 3bet bluff these hands. Would be great if you can break down the answer by villians position. I'm a US player using holdem indicator and playing non zoom 6max on a small site unfortunately. Thanks in advance bud.
Hey Cameron. 18:10 78cc in the cutoff. Can this hand be used as a 3bet bluff to a MP open or do you generally fold this hand in this spot?
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