C-betting Full Range: How To Play Turns And Rivers
Posted by Julian Kopanskiy
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That flatting range is a joke. At all stakes regs would flat hands like 45s, 43s, 57s etcetera and the same thing would go for 87o 76o... (and I am still being conservative with my comment as far as flatting goes)
The problem I have with this is that at 45 sec in the video I already question everything that comes afterwards.
And here a second problem occurs: the board is T73 rainbow, and if we cap our opponents range to not holding essentially any 3s and 7s we will see changes to IPs strategy that will not relate to reality which means now a lot of people will take away things from this, apply it to reality and get smocked.
I advice everyone to watch this video with a lot of caution.
He does mention early in the video that some players might defend wider. I think the best videos compare two ranges. One where the villian defends with a moderately tight range and one with a moderately wide range. Then comparing the strategy differences when playing against the two types of ranges.
He is implying that those hands get 3-bet
The main thing to take away from these videos isn't the exact ranges used as they will vary for the population and they are impossible to to try to follow anyway. For me the important part is the explanation of WHY we are doing x,y or z with certain parts of our range. That can then be taken and applied to spots when looking at them ourselves. It can be difficult trying to work out why solvers are doing certain things but Julian has done a good job of explaining the 'why' and not just the 'how'
I agree. And preferably the best is to say "This is what population defends" and "This is what GTO should defend". But I dont think any regs defend that range so it becomes confusing.
I make a sim with range which i defend from BB, i prefer to 3bet those 76o, 35s, 45s...
But to make it clear i rebuilt a sim with wider range and IP strategy on later streets remains the same (few % more here and there, but people anyway are not able to apply PIO strat perfectly, we can only look for general tendencies)
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Great vid Julian!
Hi Julian, thanks for the video. Sometimes I struggle to understand some raising hands like PIO is suggesting the BB to check raise ATs, KTs, QTs, QJs on the flop. What would be the theoretical explanation? Thx
PIO is raising often in this spot, because IP bet 100% with 1/3PS. If OOP will not ch/r close to 20% then IP will be able to very cheaply see turn and river with a lot of hands.
So OOP is adding some thin value raises, and perspective hands which have a lot of backdoor draws and can continue bluffing on a lot of runouts.(QJs)
ATs, KTs will continue thin valuebetting with some frequency, and ch/c turn vs float sometimes. (after flop ch/r)
Another excellent video. Thank you for the care you put into the these and the also for how you hit the spot with the most common but difficult issues/spots we encounter.very nice work.
At 9.40 we see the range for cbetting river after villain calls our turn overbet cbet.
The line makes perfect sense against a capped Pio villain range where a lot of the stronger the stronger hands have been check raised on the flop but it would be interesting to know whether you have any meaningful sample of applying this approach to the river in practice:maybe there is scope for a part 2 using Hand2Note Range Research as per your excellent range research series :) ?
I can see we will get a ton of folds v the population on the turn:they will not be calling with 3x etc. as per Pio. But once we are called by the population v a turn a cbet I think we will see a much stronger range in practice on the river: it will include decent Tx, some slowplayed sets which Pio does not have in it's range. I would be very wary of overbet bluffing with a balanced range v the non good reg segment of the population after they have called my turn overbet because I think you will be running into a much stronger range than Pio has by the river and you will not see many folds. I would welcome your thoughts.
Cheers and many thanks
That's definitely true that population will have stronger range at the river than PIO suggests. But they will also be less likely to calldown 7x or JT, so a plenty of FE at the river left (Tx, 7x, Ax flushdraws all folds, 7x i think also)
I also will be uncomfortable value betting KTo with an overbet at the river.
For me seems reasonable to bet most of our range for 75% at the river (JJ, KT, AT, 33% of sets), and overbet with much polarized range (to still get a lot of folds, see some rare hero calls) lets say KK, two pair+, 89 without spade.
It's hard to do range research on this because population doesn't use this line often, and we probably will not see a lot of situations.
Thank for nice feedback.
Julian, in response to your question at the end of the video, I would certainly welcome a follow up video (or videos) dealing with other textures e.g. what happens we are called on various high card flops, both dry and drawy.
Again, thanks for the video. Really good stuff as always.
Yeah, definitely agree. Great Video and i would appreciate another one focused on different textures.
I'm not sure I understand the preflop sizings for this sim. We have 198 stacks and 5 starting pot, if this was a 100bb sim it looks like we limped the BU and BB checked. If this is a 200bb sim then we minraised but SB got rounded up to a BB? If so, was there a reason you showed this for 200bb instead of 100bb? It has a significant effect on the pot geometry since at 100bb BU will prefer to set up for 200% river bet in order to jam rivers.
This content is gold! I often struggle with if and how I should split my range after c-betting range on the flop. Excellent video, especially for those of us without sllvers. Spacebo!
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