Brick and Mortar: $25/$50 PLO Review (part 1)
Posted by Zachary Freeman
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You slowrolled me in your last video thread I posted asking for live plo vids and boom here they are! I saw the very end of you on LATB yesterday wish I had known earlier. Gonna go ahead and give this a ❤ before I even watch it which I never really do.
Thanks. It wasn't a very exciting session on LATB and I made a player specific light call down that was wrong. Haven't played with the guy for years and it seems like he doesn't play the same now. Anyways, I hope you like the vid.
Great video. I personally get way more out of this than live videos.
Two questions.
- in the first hand what was your conclusion about shoving the turn, does it have a higher ev than checking, considering we just protect our hand against flushdraws and maybe some Tx hands we are ahead of? Also how does that change if we had a similar stack on the turn than our opponents? Would you you be more or less inclined to bet ( I guess this might depend on opponent tendencies, like BB bluffing with Ax)
-second hand I was a little suprised about the preflop call, just because it seems to set us up for a lot of bad postflop spots similar to when calling a 3 bet with bad relative position to the deeper stack. There are 3 possible scenarios: BB folds: we are are oop with about 3x pot with a marginal hand, this however seems to be the best thing that can happen, both BB calling and 3 betting don't seem to be very attractive,so I was wondering where you think the EV of calling was coming from.
Thank you
I didn't analyze the turn in depth. My gut says I like checking more than betting by a small amount and if our stack was more similar to our opponents I would like a check more.
2nd hand, regarding preflop let me preface this by saying PF isn't my forte' and when I error its usually ends up being on the loose side. I would defend this hand against most openers and I am confident I can profitably defend vs this btn who is straight forward.
Amazing job comparing PJ and OR....you stated your observations and recommendations early in the vid and then so clearly demonstrated the differences. Great content! I need to go back and watch this a few times and will do that before tackling PJ again. I see that getting PJ was the right choice for now but that I might want both later. Thank you so much
Thx for great job on video, good one
My opinion about last hand: but I think that reasonable is that loose range not TAG one and if it's almost 0 EV you have to go - you have to do it otherwise you will be to much exploitative in future and it will be more tough for you to lead good wraps + FD and stuff like that.
Well I think the LAG range is as loose as I should reasonably assess to his range and his actual range will fall somewhere in between the TAG and LAG range I assigned. Accordingly, I think the EV will be significantly far from 0.
More importantly, in live poker we seldom worry about being exploitable. Put it this way, it is impossible to exploit somebody while us remaining unexploitable. In live poker we will often have very detailed and reliable reads on how somebody is playing. Our goal is to employ the best counter strategy to exploit that. By doing that we ourselves are exploitable but we dont mind because the opponents are either unaware and/or we gain more by exploiting than being exploited.
In this particular case, yes I am making an exploitable fold vs the BB range in isolation but that is for 2 reasons. One, I have a confident and accurate read that BTN has NFD thus removing many of BB's bluffing range. Just by looking at his demeanor and knowing his tendencies I can assign specifically NFD or 2NFD. Two, we aren't being very exploitable if at all because BTN and I have a shared responsibility to defend the BB's raise and BTN has taken the duty in this spot. Had BTN folded, I would snap jam.
Really cool video. This format is especially applicable to me since the bulk of my volume is live plo cash too (albeit at much lower stakes).
For hand 1, I wonder if we can do better by jamming prf? We have ~2.5P, so assuming no fold equity, we need ~42% to stack off. Against top 4%, we have 35% equity. How do we determine how often we need to get through in relation to EV of jamming? I would guess if we need <50% fold equity, we would have a +EV jam, but is this more profitable then calling...
Here is my attempt but it can't be correct since when always called (x=0) we gain 545.
If x is our necessary fold equity such that EV jam=EV fold, then:
0 = x(1500) + (1-x)[(.35)(8800)-(.65)(3900)]
Where is my mistake? Thanks in advance fellas.
Just watched the first hand and I find it extremely hard to believe that they are getting to the river with that many flushes with the As and Ts on board. I don't really know how OR works, but those %s seem excessive. No mistake anywhere?
It all seems reasonable frequencies to me. Realize cbet size was small so any flopped non naked FD is likely peeling by utg and being bet by BB.
Is this a correct calculation?
Equity in main, M= 27%; Equity in side pot, S=44%
EV=0= 5850M-1050(1-M)
Shouldnt it be:
EV=0= (5850-1050)M-1050(1-M)
Otherwise we calculate that we win our own money when we winning?
No. 5850 pot size is the pot size before I decide to call the 1050. The total pot size once I call is 5850+1050.
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