3:55 being on ignition do you download the hands after to see what they had?
17-27min mark I enjoyed the break down of JJ on 865dd-Qx board. Not your specific hand, but seeing how equity driven IP has to be with their cbet range. Can't just go crazy because we are using a small b25 size. Flop strategy for the IP player 3 way here.
Other take away here is that we don't have to be too cautious with over pairs on these wet textures. I would typically be worried about this board smashing the BB's range and want to do a lot of checking. Maybe a mental game issue of freezing up on these wet boards. Worry about the XR when it happens, but don't just check because you might get check raised.
3:55 I actually haven't done this, probably should if for no other reason that learning more about populations. I certainly regularly check after hands that went to showdown to see those while playing.
17-27 Thanks, agreed it is very interesting, with the caveat that S3W is chipEV only so as covering stack IP gets to bet a bit more than this, blinds don't get to xr as liberally.
As someone who plays a good amount of both cash and MTT the point about check backs has been tough to intutively grasp at times for me too since they play so differently. I've had several times recently when playing with the GTOW trainer for MTT cbet spots how high the frequencies are in various spots.
I think the key point is that in MTT with antes, BB defends much wider, therefore IP has a larger range advantage on most boards and gets to put in more chips. Definitely does get mentally confusing on boards where in cash overpairs are supposed to mix lots of checkbacks, while in MTT due to weaker BB range they nearly pure bet, as often does our range.
Highly recommend Alex Theologis MTT cbet series for a deeper dive on this.
7:00 I understand the merit to jamming but I feel jamming here is too high variance with any part of our range. With 38bb we have too many options and too much stack to risk. I feel at 25-28bb we can look to do more jamming with bways and low pocket pairs, but even 30bb is pushing it. What are your thoughts on stack size thresholds for this?
1:05:00 do you run this bluff jam if the btn was really deep and had you well covered?
1:09:15 how do you feel about the bb jam pre? It seems high variance especially with you being shorter than he is.
7:00 I understand the hesitancy of making plays like these and do think there are times when just passing on the spot is best, particularly at soft tables where our future game EV is higher. That said, they accomplish some really good things like getting dominated hands to fold. While a hand like QJs is good, taking it postflop 3 way OOP carries plenty of risk as well, flopping top pair can often lead to tough spots. Getting all AJ and KQ combos to fold preflop as well as many AQo in our sim is so good for us (caveat - if our opponent is opening tighter or calling off wider, the assumptions in the sim can fail). In game I did call of course but I think these big squeeze jams are plays worth consideration even for 38bb. Pads did a great video on them in his course.
1:05:00 - I think there's a threshold of river SPR not too much higher than in-game where I'd often use sizings less than allin, but I think when I get to the river with A3o on this board in this line I need to bluff it some way, covered or not.
1:09:15 - It seems ok to me, although perhaps unneccessary. It is a combo that mostly wants to raise, but we can also go for a non-allin sizing in the 5.5-6.5bb range. I suspect if I ran a preflop sim it would mix jam and non-allin.
42:20 the button is using a polarized 3bet range. Do you think this is good in practice to be flatting so many linear hands rather than 3 betting? Does the cash 3bet range at 20bb under perform in MTTs? When I compare HRC being polarized to cash game on wizard being linear I am a bit confused why the strategy is so different.
I think the main differences are the ante (which incentivizes generally wider VPIPs) as well as ICM which leads to these hyper polar 3b strategies. I would post a chipEV GTOW MTT 20-25bb BTN vs LJ 3b range with antes but their site is down right now lol. Happy to later. I think the result will be more merged relative to the ICM sim here but still plenty of flats and just generally much wider than the cash game no ante range.
52:45 I see these weak AXo shoves a lot in theory, but if the blinds don't reshove light in practice, would you still recommend shoving these small pairs and AXo hands to avoid postflop or is 2b + F ok? Is there a big EV difference between RFI 2bb vs all in vs tighter 3bet shove ranges? How is this A2o different than K5o at the 60min mark?
55min Really shocking that for 17bb the BB is just folding JJ vs BTN RFI and SB 3bet. If the btn opens linear and SB 3bets linear, does BB still fold JJ here? I would think JJ+ AK just ships it and calls it a day.
50:40 vs our 4b jam it's shown a few seconds later, BTN mixes with QQ but mostly calls. Vs opener whom BTN covers QQ would certainly be calling.
52:45 I think the small pairs still really just want to jam as it's very profitable in the ICM setup and raise/folding when we often have a bit over 50% equity is not ideal. With the weak Axo I do think it makes sense against blinds we know are playing too weak (beyond theory, which already forces extra tightness).
A2o differs from K5o at 60min both because we are one position worse in the latter and also our hand is performing worse vs calling range. That said, jamming with K5o could still be viable, certainly lower EV than the A2o jam by a good amount though.
55:00 It is surprising to see but makes some sense only because of the polar nature of SB range. We do have a little bit of TT but otherwise our 3b/calls are AA/KK/AKs so JJ isn't doing well when we do call off. It is of course pretty easy for SB to be unbalanced with too many bluffs in practice, as the bluffs in this sim are low frequency of a variety of Ax and just a couple Kx combos. It's not hard to imagine some players overbluffing this node (I probably was in game here).
If SB was playing linear then we would have a clean jam as BB with JJ, although I don't see many opponents choosing NAI 3b with the 99 and lower pairs rather than jam or call.
1:09:05 I am always looking for ways to lower the volatility. What are your thoughts of avoiding these 3bet jams here and playing more 2b+F or 3B+F in some of these spots where the EV difference on wizard cash is at 0.06 difference. Call and jam same EV and smaller 3b size is less EV. We saw how quickly villain's chip lead disappeared in these preflop wars from 3:1 chip lead to 3rd place. Not a good feeling!
So much ICM in play in a 3 handed FT spot, I don't think Wizard cash outputs are very meaningful to analyze this. Ranges are just going to be way different as SB has huge leverage on BB and can probably raise entire range (some jam some small) in this spot. BB has a large risk premium being 2/3 and that is going to make postflop uncomfortable as well, and A4o isn't a great hand for postflop playability.
What you think would be adjustments in spots where we 4bet small AA final table when stakes gets lower and people get weaker?
It feels like it would be to just 4bet jam more as they would likely not fold enough and stack off too many hands but even weaker player might read it being strong when we 4bet small.
Would you limit theses small 4bets only vs regs while keeping them balanced?
56:10 I noticed that when we are vs polar BTN opening range with some jams we have some flatting on SB but when there no jamming and he have linear range with no jamming we don't ever flat.
Is it because how much wider BTN bottom hands are when he is polar? Or is flatting in polar range and not when he opens linear about something else like we not getting in as much hard spots postflop when opponent have polar opening range?
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3:55 being on ignition do you download the hands after to see what they had?
17-27min mark I enjoyed the break down of JJ on 865dd-Qx board. Not your specific hand, but seeing how equity driven IP has to be with their cbet range. Can't just go crazy because we are using a small b25 size. Flop strategy for the IP player 3 way here.
Other take away here is that we don't have to be too cautious with over pairs on these wet textures. I would typically be worried about this board smashing the BB's range and want to do a lot of checking. Maybe a mental game issue of freezing up on these wet boards. Worry about the XR when it happens, but don't just check because you might get check raised.
wizard for cash games BTN vs BB on this flop at 50bb
AA checking 71%
KK checking 49%
QQ checking 40%
JJ checking 25%
How do we separate this cash game strategy from MTT strategy? Are there any tips of heuristics you use for these textures Brian Hastings ?
3:55 I actually haven't done this, probably should if for no other reason that learning more about populations. I certainly regularly check after hands that went to showdown to see those while playing.
17-27 Thanks, agreed it is very interesting, with the caveat that S3W is chipEV only so as covering stack IP gets to bet a bit more than this, blinds don't get to xr as liberally.
(replying to second post)
As someone who plays a good amount of both cash and MTT the point about check backs has been tough to intutively grasp at times for me too since they play so differently. I've had several times recently when playing with the GTOW trainer for MTT cbet spots how high the frequencies are in various spots.
I think the key point is that in MTT with antes, BB defends much wider, therefore IP has a larger range advantage on most boards and gets to put in more chips. Definitely does get mentally confusing on boards where in cash overpairs are supposed to mix lots of checkbacks, while in MTT due to weaker BB range they nearly pure bet, as often does our range.
Highly recommend Alex Theologis MTT cbet series for a deeper dive on this.
Congrats on the win, Brian!
7:00 I understand the merit to jamming but I feel jamming here is too high variance with any part of our range. With 38bb we have too many options and too much stack to risk. I feel at 25-28bb we can look to do more jamming with bways and low pocket pairs, but even 30bb is pushing it. What are your thoughts on stack size thresholds for this?
1:05:00 do you run this bluff jam if the btn was really deep and had you well covered?
1:09:15 how do you feel about the bb jam pre? It seems high variance especially with you being shorter than he is.
Thanks!
Thanks!
7:00 I understand the hesitancy of making plays like these and do think there are times when just passing on the spot is best, particularly at soft tables where our future game EV is higher. That said, they accomplish some really good things like getting dominated hands to fold. While a hand like QJs is good, taking it postflop 3 way OOP carries plenty of risk as well, flopping top pair can often lead to tough spots. Getting all AJ and KQ combos to fold preflop as well as many AQo in our sim is so good for us (caveat - if our opponent is opening tighter or calling off wider, the assumptions in the sim can fail). In game I did call of course but I think these big squeeze jams are plays worth consideration even for 38bb. Pads did a great video on them in his course.
1:05:00 - I think there's a threshold of river SPR not too much higher than in-game where I'd often use sizings less than allin, but I think when I get to the river with A3o on this board in this line I need to bluff it some way, covered or not.
1:09:15 - It seems ok to me, although perhaps unneccessary. It is a combo that mostly wants to raise, but we can also go for a non-allin sizing in the 5.5-6.5bb range. I suspect if I ran a preflop sim it would mix jam and non-allin.
42:20 the button is using a polarized 3bet range. Do you think this is good in practice to be flatting so many linear hands rather than 3 betting? Does the cash 3bet range at 20bb under perform in MTTs? When I compare HRC being polarized to cash game on wizard being linear I am a bit confused why the strategy is so different.
I think the main differences are the ante (which incentivizes generally wider VPIPs) as well as ICM which leads to these hyper polar 3b strategies. I would post a chipEV GTOW MTT 20-25bb BTN vs LJ 3b range with antes but their site is down right now lol. Happy to later. I think the result will be more merged relative to the ICM sim here but still plenty of flats and just generally much wider than the cash game no ante range.
50:40 is BTN 3b + folding QQ to 5bet?
52:45 I see these weak AXo shoves a lot in theory, but if the blinds don't reshove light in practice, would you still recommend shoving these small pairs and AXo hands to avoid postflop or is 2b + F ok? Is there a big EV difference between RFI 2bb vs all in vs tighter 3bet shove ranges? How is this A2o different than K5o at the 60min mark?
55min Really shocking that for 17bb the BB is just folding JJ vs BTN RFI and SB 3bet. If the btn opens linear and SB 3bets linear, does BB still fold JJ here? I would think JJ+ AK just ships it and calls it a day.
50:40 vs our 4b jam it's shown a few seconds later, BTN mixes with QQ but mostly calls. Vs opener whom BTN covers QQ would certainly be calling.
52:45 I think the small pairs still really just want to jam as it's very profitable in the ICM setup and raise/folding when we often have a bit over 50% equity is not ideal. With the weak Axo I do think it makes sense against blinds we know are playing too weak (beyond theory, which already forces extra tightness).
A2o differs from K5o at 60min both because we are one position worse in the latter and also our hand is performing worse vs calling range. That said, jamming with K5o could still be viable, certainly lower EV than the A2o jam by a good amount though.
55:00 It is surprising to see but makes some sense only because of the polar nature of SB range. We do have a little bit of TT but otherwise our 3b/calls are AA/KK/AKs so JJ isn't doing well when we do call off. It is of course pretty easy for SB to be unbalanced with too many bluffs in practice, as the bluffs in this sim are low frequency of a variety of Ax and just a couple Kx combos. It's not hard to imagine some players overbluffing this node (I probably was in game here).
If SB was playing linear then we would have a clean jam as BB with JJ, although I don't see many opponents choosing NAI 3b with the 99 and lower pairs rather than jam or call.
1:09:05 I am always looking for ways to lower the volatility. What are your thoughts of avoiding these 3bet jams here and playing more 2b+F or 3B+F in some of these spots where the EV difference on wizard cash is at 0.06 difference. Call and jam same EV and smaller 3b size is less EV. We saw how quickly villain's chip lead disappeared in these preflop wars from 3:1 chip lead to 3rd place. Not a good feeling!
So much ICM in play in a 3 handed FT spot, I don't think Wizard cash outputs are very meaningful to analyze this. Ranges are just going to be way different as SB has huge leverage on BB and can probably raise entire range (some jam some small) in this spot. BB has a large risk premium being 2/3 and that is going to make postflop uncomfortable as well, and A4o isn't a great hand for postflop playability.
Great video Brian,
What you think would be adjustments in spots where we 4bet small AA final table when stakes gets lower and people get weaker?
It feels like it would be to just 4bet jam more as they would likely not fold enough and stack off too many hands but even weaker player might read it being strong when we 4bet small.
Would you limit theses small 4bets only vs regs while keeping them balanced?
56:10 I noticed that when we are vs polar BTN opening range with some jams we have some flatting on SB but when there no jamming and he have linear range with no jamming we don't ever flat.
Is it because how much wider BTN bottom hands are when he is polar? Or is flatting in polar range and not when he opens linear about something else like we not getting in as much hard spots postflop when opponent have polar opening range?
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