thank you for this video, can't wait for the next one
off topic question, what's your thoughts about zoom vs reg tables in terms of if either one is more profitable than the other? or does it not matter that much whether we play zoom vs reg tables?
Regular tables should net you the highest EV bb/100 because recreational players tend to play slightly tighter in Zoom as they can fast fold their weakest holdings, while in regular tables they can get bored and start playing almost anything if they happen to be card dead for a while. Another factor is that you might get and hold positional over a weaker player and that is pretty valuable (also you're able to quit the table if you're OOP against 2 strong and aggressive regs).
However Zoom might guarantee you a higher hourly winrate because it allows you to play higher volume being more focused as you won't play more than 4 spots at the same time and you're generating volume for 10-12 reg tables if you're 4xing. Also you might be able to fold some break-evenish type hands and sacrifice a bit of EVbb/100 in favor of volume and hourly rate.
Do you recommend doing sims on different boards to get a feel for the best trippling barrels??
About bluffing recrational players, you said it was fine to tripple them sometimes, because they still got a brain, and also get to the river with slightly weaker ranges often than regs.
So do you recommend still bluffing the ''obvious'' bluffs against them? (By obvious bluffs i mean bluffs that are profitable in a gto world)
Untill they proved they are a whale or something because they call us down with 3rd pair or some obvious easy fold? And then we can stop the river bluff entierly?
I think it's very easy to get into the mindset, that we should never bluff recs, or just get very scared bluffing them.
Yep you can use the highest EV possible bluffs and see how they react and take notes according to the showdowns.
Pio can be a starting point to understand which hands are good 3barrel candidates.
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In general I target them on boards where they have a very wide and weak range when they can call a lot of weak pairs or draws which eventually fold the river unimproved.
In other boards, if I don't have a clear read, I tend to bluff with the highest possible EV combinations if I think that it's a profitable bluffing spot according to population tendencies.
A good exercise could be creating an alias of the recreational players and see how they react to triple barrels. Recs at 400 NL are for sure less stations than the ones at 25 NL and they tend to be more aggressive/creative with their play.
Most of the times you are going to see legitimate calls, so you should really pick up the frequency of unreasonable calls in order to deviate.
I just want to point out something. It is not a big issue but maybe it will help you to not do it again in the future. On your seventh slate the final point(text) isn't showing properly.
Oh I just noticed, it probably went away in the editing process. Anyway this is what it stated:
"One common mistake players make is considering every recreational player as a calling station. Most recs have a poor understanding of ranges and hand reading but they focus a lot on recent history and gameflow and they can make pretty strong adjustments to their strategy"
Hi Francesco sorry for the late comment but just seeing the video now. I play vs a lot of regs who I feel fall into the category of over folding on earlier streets and ending up with very strong ranges on later streets. I know it's situational but if I had a large enough DB vs an opponent say 10k hands at zoom what kind of fold/call/raise % would stand out to you as someone who is clearly overfolding vs flop cbets?
I would try to filter specific situations and look at the showdowns, because people might play differently according to the board (maybe they expect a board to be significantly underbluff, therefore they overfold in that situation).
In general 50%+ folding on the flop and turn tends to be meaningful, otherwise I wouldn't even bother looking at the HUD to figure out exploits.
Didn't go back and look specifically, but my guess is that some combos are unblocking the BDFD floats, while some of them are blocking BDFD floats. We want to unblock the floats, so holding an Ac or Qc. Qc is probably even better than Ac for unblocking purposes since then you unblock all the KQ QJ combos.
Edit: looks like it's not higher EV, it's a higher calling frequency still with a 0 EV either way. We do this to prevent being exploited by BDFD c betting.
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thank you for this video, can't wait for the next one
off topic question, what's your thoughts about zoom vs reg tables in terms of if either one is more profitable than the other? or does it not matter that much whether we play zoom vs reg tables?
Regular tables should net you the highest EV bb/100 because recreational players tend to play slightly tighter in Zoom as they can fast fold their weakest holdings, while in regular tables they can get bored and start playing almost anything if they happen to be card dead for a while. Another factor is that you might get and hold positional over a weaker player and that is pretty valuable (also you're able to quit the table if you're OOP against 2 strong and aggressive regs).
However Zoom might guarantee you a higher hourly winrate because it allows you to play higher volume being more focused as you won't play more than 4 spots at the same time and you're generating volume for 10-12 reg tables if you're 4xing. Also you might be able to fold some break-evenish type hands and sacrifice a bit of EVbb/100 in favor of volume and hourly rate.
Good stuff man, you deserve to be elite.
Do you recommend doing sims on different boards to get a feel for the best trippling barrels??
About bluffing recrational players, you said it was fine to tripple them sometimes, because they still got a brain, and also get to the river with slightly weaker ranges often than regs.
So do you recommend still bluffing the ''obvious'' bluffs against them? (By obvious bluffs i mean bluffs that are profitable in a gto world)
Untill they proved they are a whale or something because they call us down with 3rd pair or some obvious easy fold? And then we can stop the river bluff entierly?
I think it's very easy to get into the mindset, that we should never bluff recs, or just get very scared bluffing them.
Keep up the good work!
Yep you can use the highest EV possible bluffs and see how they react and take notes according to the showdowns.
Pio can be a starting point to understand which hands are good 3barrel candidates.
But what's your default strat (for buffing recs) in format like zoom where we get moved to new table every single hand?
WHATSMYNAMEHUH
In general I target them on boards where they have a very wide and weak range when they can call a lot of weak pairs or draws which eventually fold the river unimproved.
In other boards, if I don't have a clear read, I tend to bluff with the highest possible EV combinations if I think that it's a profitable bluffing spot according to population tendencies.
A good exercise could be creating an alias of the recreational players and see how they react to triple barrels. Recs at 400 NL are for sure less stations than the ones at 25 NL and they tend to be more aggressive/creative with their play.
Most of the times you are going to see legitimate calls, so you should really pick up the frequency of unreasonable calls in order to deviate.
excellent video as usual mate :)
game-changing insights, thank you.
Hey Francesco,
Again, a very solid video, thanks.
I just want to point out something. It is not a big issue but maybe it will help you to not do it again in the future. On your seventh slate the final point(text) isn't showing properly.
Thanks again and keep up the good material.
Oh I just noticed, it probably went away in the editing process. Anyway this is what it stated:
"One common mistake players make is considering every recreational player as a calling station. Most recs have a poor understanding of ranges and hand reading but they focus a lot on recent history and gameflow and they can make pretty strong adjustments to their strategy"
Hi Francesco sorry for the late comment but just seeing the video now. I play vs a lot of regs who I feel fall into the category of over folding on earlier streets and ending up with very strong ranges on later streets. I know it's situational but if I had a large enough DB vs an opponent say 10k hands at zoom what kind of fold/call/raise % would stand out to you as someone who is clearly overfolding vs flop cbets?
Thanks
I would try to filter specific situations and look at the showdowns, because people might play differently according to the board (maybe they expect a board to be significantly underbluff, therefore they overfold in that situation).
In general 50%+ folding on the flop and turn tends to be meaningful, otherwise I wouldn't even bother looking at the HUD to figure out exploits.
Amazing video man.
At 35:08 why do you think different combos of aq might have different calling evs.
Didn't go back and look specifically, but my guess is that some combos are unblocking the BDFD floats, while some of them are blocking BDFD floats. We want to unblock the floats, so holding an Ac or Qc. Qc is probably even better than Ac for unblocking purposes since then you unblock all the KQ QJ combos.
Edit: looks like it's not higher EV, it's a higher calling frequency still with a 0 EV either way. We do this to prevent being exploited by BDFD c betting.
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