Hey I have a question about the hand in the begining AQo. You said you would check with the A of spades. My thinking in this spot has always been the opposite, I would Cbet and try to take the pot right there and than if there was a spade on the turn I'd bet again. When I have a backdoor flush I bet (bluff) because if I get called I think that I may catch up. Could you please comment on that, is that a kind of a small ball aproach? Maybe ther's something I dont get :)
1 more question, from what position would you normally, in early stages, open hands like KTo, QTo, JTo?
Thanks for the series, very educational, clean and nicely presented :)
Thank you very much for the kind words.
My rationale with checking back hands where I have more backdoor outs is simply to exploit players who may get out of line(start barrelling into me) when they perceive a capped range on the flop. One caveat is these players perhaps don't check-raise flops enough. By betting flop with some of these hands, we fold out all worse(which can bluff later), and get all better to call, or even sometimes raise with his top pair type hands. Sometimes, it does make sense to bet with your backdoor hands so you can get a free card or rep a lot of good turns. I don't think there is a right or wrong approach with this; it is simply about being able to play a lot of turn and river cards well. Also, There is a significant difference between A high and K high here. If I had K high with the backdoor spades I'd bet VERY often, because I am actually going to get better hands to fold.
9 handed, pre-ante at 25-50 blinds you could fold these to the hi-jack or cutoff easily. I'd mostly open KTo, QTo, and JTo from middle position regardless of stage of tournament. If the table is full of sickos these hands might be a fold until the cutoff.
It's nice to see your assumptions if you got raised or shoved. I think it's a better way of learning.
@10:00 JTs, opening and calling ~15bb shoves and next hand KQo ~19bb doesn't seem too loose? My reasoning is:
1) You are opening early, mid possitions
2) It's not a bounty tourney
3) It's low BI and big field tourney with a lot of fish and you won't get shoved very light.
4) KQo hand, you have 43bb, his shove would be 18.5b. You don't need to take 50/50 scenario, at best (sometimes QJs), and if you will lose, you will be left with ~25bb with way less playability then 43bbs
@12:00 ATs hand, his stack is 1/6 compared to yours, you have decent backdoors and overcard to J. I would choose to bet ~half pot (representing KQo, QTs) and put him in a tuff spot with his KT,Q8,T8,87 hands rather than me on later streets.You are saying that T or 8 is good turn card, but it doesn't look good, because it favors BB's range, and if you brick the river, you will get bluffed most of the time.
Thanks for the thoughts. The JTs hand is closer than I originally made it appear in video. I think it's a clear call if 1. I've been opening a lot, and 2. they are going to shove any pair and/or too loose.
ATs: If we pick up equity on turn we can easily rip over his bet and/or call his turn bet. T or 8 is a good card for us to continue when we check back flop, because we will be checking back some Jx, some draws, some mid pairs. Upon further exploration, I like a line of bet small on flop with this particular hand because we can check back a lot of brick turns or get it in if we pick up equity.
We lost control of the pot by checking and had to play a guessing game, which turned into a folding game based on his bet size.
What is the timestamp of the KQo hand in the video?
@36:12 hand with QQ you get shown 66 at the showdown and you say that it makes sense. To me it doesnt. He is calling 3b OOP with 20bb stack. Could you elaborate on the BB play and why do you think it makes sense?
Thank you. Great content btw, really enjoy your vids so far.
Yes, calling with 66 pre is going to put him in a tough spot there.
The way the flop/turn/river played out a middle PP made a lot of sense. I don't expect him to have much KQ(blockers), no AK(shoves pre), rarely AA and KK(shove), probably some KJsuited, and a whole bunch of mid-pairs with a diamond.
Folding/shoving/calling are his best options pre-flop in my humble opinion.
A good question would be do we ever raise with the Q of diamonds, given how villain plays. :)
What kind of a diamonds does he really have in his cold calling range that we beat? JJ or TT with diamond he most likely shoves pre. Does he really cold call with KxJd or KxTd and plays this hand the way he did? I think that is unlikely. The most likely diamond he has (and we beat) are pp 66-88.
However, given the action on Turn, if he had Ad in his hand, I dont think he would check the river out of fear of missing out on bet. So we CAN raise if we are confident in our read that our villain has what he has and that he would not check Ad there.
Its a interesting spot that I didnt think about when I first saw it.
I think he has a fair amount of Kx diamond. A5, A2,A3, and A4 all with the A of diamonds are certainly playing their hand like this once in a while. Yes villain has some middling diamonds, and I agree with you that a raise could be okay. But if he is folding those middle diamonds to a raise(which he most certainly always is), and only calling with Jd or Ad, then raising doesn't seem to be that great of a play to me. Perhaps I agree that min-raise > calling. Also, upon further consideration, I agree. I don't see many people checking that 3rd diamond with the A of diamonds, especially if we think they have a bottom pair type hand to go with it.
At 23:50, I don't see any reason to raise, there are much more hands on his range that beat us than hands that we can get value from, in my opinion. Thanks for the video!
This one was even better than the 1st video, spotted some questionable reasoning in 1st one (for myself), but nothing that huge. In this one everything is on point, great series so far!
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Hey I have a question about the hand in the begining AQo. You said you would check with the A of spades. My thinking in this spot has always been the opposite, I would Cbet and try to take the pot right there and than if there was a spade on the turn I'd bet again. When I have a backdoor flush I bet (bluff) because if I get called I think that I may catch up. Could you please comment on that, is that a kind of a small ball aproach? Maybe ther's something I dont get :)
1 more question, from what position would you normally, in early stages, open hands like KTo, QTo, JTo?
Thanks for the series, very educational, clean and nicely presented :)
Thank you very much for the kind words.
My rationale with checking back hands where I have more backdoor outs is simply to exploit players who may get out of line(start barrelling into me) when they perceive a capped range on the flop. One caveat is these players perhaps don't check-raise flops enough. By betting flop with some of these hands, we fold out all worse(which can bluff later), and get all better to call, or even sometimes raise with his top pair type hands. Sometimes, it does make sense to bet with your backdoor hands so you can get a free card or rep a lot of good turns. I don't think there is a right or wrong approach with this; it is simply about being able to play a lot of turn and river cards well. Also, There is a significant difference between A high and K high here. If I had K high with the backdoor spades I'd bet VERY often, because I am actually going to get better hands to fold.
9 handed, pre-ante at 25-50 blinds you could fold these to the hi-jack or cutoff easily. I'd mostly open KTo, QTo, and JTo from middle position regardless of stage of tournament. If the table is full of sickos these hands might be a fold until the cutoff.
It's nice to see your assumptions if you got raised or shoved. I think it's a better way of learning.
@10:00 JTs, opening and calling ~15bb shoves and next hand KQo ~19bb doesn't seem too loose? My reasoning is:
1) You are opening early, mid possitions
2) It's not a bounty tourney
3) It's low BI and big field tourney with a lot of fish and you won't get shoved very light.
4) KQo hand, you have 43bb, his shove would be 18.5b. You don't need to take 50/50 scenario, at best (sometimes QJs), and if you will lose, you will be left with ~25bb with way less playability then 43bbs
@12:00 ATs hand, his stack is 1/6 compared to yours, you have decent backdoors and overcard to J. I would choose to bet ~half pot (representing KQo, QTs) and put him in a tuff spot with his KT,Q8,T8,87 hands rather than me on later streets.You are saying that T or 8 is good turn card, but it doesn't look good, because it favors BB's range, and if you brick the river, you will get bluffed most of the time.
Thanks for the thoughts. The JTs hand is closer than I originally made it appear in video. I think it's a clear call if 1. I've been opening a lot, and 2. they are going to shove any pair and/or too loose.
ATs: If we pick up equity on turn we can easily rip over his bet and/or call his turn bet. T or 8 is a good card for us to continue when we check back flop, because we will be checking back some Jx, some draws, some mid pairs. Upon further exploration, I like a line of bet small on flop with this particular hand because we can check back a lot of brick turns or get it in if we pick up equity.
We lost control of the pot by checking and had to play a guessing game, which turned into a folding game based on his bet size.
What is the timestamp of the KQo hand in the video?
@36:12 hand with QQ you get shown 66 at the showdown and you say that it makes sense. To me it doesnt. He is calling 3b OOP with 20bb stack. Could you elaborate on the BB play and why do you think it makes sense?
Thank you. Great content btw, really enjoy your vids so far.
Hey Surda,
Yes, calling with 66 pre is going to put him in a tough spot there.
The way the flop/turn/river played out a middle PP made a lot of sense. I don't expect him to have much KQ(blockers), no AK(shoves pre), rarely AA and KK(shove), probably some KJsuited, and a whole bunch of mid-pairs with a diamond.
Folding/shoving/calling are his best options pre-flop in my humble opinion.
A good question would be do we ever raise with the Q of diamonds, given how villain plays. :)
Thanks again!
What kind of a diamonds does he really have in his cold calling range that we beat? JJ or TT with diamond he most likely shoves pre. Does he really cold call with KxJd or KxTd and plays this hand the way he did? I think that is unlikely. The most likely diamond he has (and we beat) are pp 66-88.
However, given the action on Turn, if he had Ad in his hand, I dont think he would check the river out of fear of missing out on bet. So we CAN raise if we are confident in our read that our villain has what he has and that he would not check Ad there.
Its a interesting spot that I didnt think about when I first saw it.
I think he has a fair amount of Kx diamond. A5, A2,A3, and A4 all with the A of diamonds are certainly playing their hand like this once in a while. Yes villain has some middling diamonds, and I agree with you that a raise could be okay. But if he is folding those middle diamonds to a raise(which he most certainly always is), and only calling with Jd or Ad, then raising doesn't seem to be that great of a play to me. Perhaps I agree that min-raise > calling. Also, upon further consideration, I agree. I don't see many people checking that 3rd diamond with the A of diamonds, especially if we think they have a bottom pair type hand to go with it.
Thanks for your input, very much appreciated.
At 23:50, I don't see any reason to raise, there are much more hands on his range that beat us than hands that we can get value from, in my opinion. Thanks for the video!
Hi, at 38 min then you 3bet with A3o, are we planing to call the sb if he shoves 16bb?
This one was even better than the 1st video, spotted some questionable reasoning in 1st one (for myself), but nothing that huge. In this one everything is on point, great series so far!
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