You're right. I didn't. This will move more AK into bigger sizings and let him raise the river thinner with his straights forcing me to check my marginal hands slightly more often..
One thing I was wondering in the instance where 60+% of OOP's range is Kx and IP prefers to jam all in a lot. How would this strategy change if OOP could start having a small % of AK's in his river range? Say maybe 5% of the time or so. I would imagine this would make IP want to balance two sizings, a large one (possibly still all in) for AK and a smaller one for Kx with AK being mixed in both ranges. Does that sound correct?
Thanks JD!
I agree with your assessment as we add more AK to the OOP range our average bet sizing should fall. At the percentage you gave (5% AKo, 60% Kx) then IP should still use a bigger sizing with his Kx combos, but he will be able to bet them less frequently (now that oop range is stronger) and the upper bound on the sizing should be smaller.
It seems that the smaller sizing with Kx is dependent on the number of hands, we could win a value bet from on the river as opposed to tie. The only way for our betsizing with Kx to diverge from AKo is when we can make more money forcing weak calls then we can make folding chops.
Hmm I don't know the actual equilibrium here off the top of my head. I'll have to get back to you on the distribution that makes Kx is indifferent between betting small or betting big.
Hey Tyler, I enjoyed the video as always. I just got one question which I feel like may have a pretty easy answer but I can't think of it right now : How do you calculate which hand out of the villains range you want to make indifferent to calling?
The one that he needs to call with to make you indifferent to bluffing. If that hand is not indifferent then you should either always bluff or never bluff.
How does this idea extend to turns or flops? It seems like there are a lot of earlier street spots where people can certainly over bluff, but then again, the terms "value" and "bluff" aren't very good classifications of what's happening on earlier streets because everything has some non-zero amount of equity (usually). Then there's the issue of range advantage. Are we still required to reach near-MDF thresholds on earlier streets in spots where people can over bluff?
@How does this idea extend to turns and flops? Fairly well, but the math is substantially more complicated. We still try to make a threshold hand indifferent ,but sometimes that threshold hand now has substantial equity so we overcall to make it indifferent. . We could also bet more marginal hands for protection and check stronger ones to prevent future street exploitation. Also we will always fold more oop on early streets because the ip player has the ability to check back and gain some equity with even his weakest hands.
Its not as cut and dried, but the logic still applies.We just have to look at some other factors to make decisions.
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You didn't let IP 3b shove over a river raise so results will be a bit wonky
Do you have a time on the video for this?
~26min
You're right. I didn't. This will move more AK into bigger sizings and let him raise the river thinner with his straights forcing me to check my marginal hands slightly more often..
Awesome video Tyler.
One thing I was wondering in the instance where 60+% of OOP's range is Kx and IP prefers to jam all in a lot. How would this strategy change if OOP could start having a small % of AK's in his river range? Say maybe 5% of the time or so. I would imagine this would make IP want to balance two sizings, a large one (possibly still all in) for AK and a smaller one for Kx with AK being mixed in both ranges. Does that sound correct?
Thanks JD!
I agree with your assessment as we add more AK to the OOP range our average bet sizing should fall. At the percentage you gave (5% AKo, 60% Kx) then IP should still use a bigger sizing with his Kx combos, but he will be able to bet them less frequently (now that oop range is stronger) and the upper bound on the sizing should be smaller.
It seems that the smaller sizing with Kx is dependent on the number of hands, we could win a value bet from on the river as opposed to tie. The only way for our betsizing with Kx to diverge from AKo is when we can make more money forcing weak calls then we can make folding chops.
Hmm I don't know the actual equilibrium here off the top of my head. I'll have to get back to you on the distribution that makes Kx is indifferent between betting small or betting big.
Good point. Seems like in the 5% AK, 60% Kx, 35% 8x or worse, we might only want the one large bet size for AK.
Good stuff tyler, I learn so much watching these PIO video and reading the chat!! The length was perfect too!!
more time == more gto , papiiiii, papi tiler?
Hey Tyler, I enjoyed the video as always. I just got one question which I feel like may have a pretty easy answer but I can't think of it right now : How do you calculate which hand out of the villains range you want to make indifferent to calling?
The one that he needs to call with to make you indifferent to bluffing. If that hand is not indifferent then you should either always bluff or never bluff.
How does this idea extend to turns or flops? It seems like there are a lot of earlier street spots where people can certainly over bluff, but then again, the terms "value" and "bluff" aren't very good classifications of what's happening on earlier streets because everything has some non-zero amount of equity (usually). Then there's the issue of range advantage. Are we still required to reach near-MDF thresholds on earlier streets in spots where people can over bluff?
@How does this idea extend to turns and flops? Fairly well, but the math is substantially more complicated. We still try to make a threshold hand indifferent ,but sometimes that threshold hand now has substantial equity so we overcall to make it indifferent. . We could also bet more marginal hands for protection and check stronger ones to prevent future street exploitation. Also we will always fold more oop on early streets because the ip player has the ability to check back and gain some equity with even his weakest hands.
Its not as cut and dried, but the logic still applies.We just have to look at some other factors to make decisions.
love the PIO videos. Keep it up.
Hey Tyler, I know a few weeks back you mentioned you where back in the states. Any plans on producing game play videos from there?
Definitely in the future. Currently I've been enjoying the pio videos. Its been fun to learn something while I'm video producing :)
+1 Tyler I much prefer your "concept" vids
Great video Tyler!
Thanks Hypage!
Really enjoy the Pio videos especially with regards to sizing. Please keep them coming!
Hey Tyler, excellent video!
Min 16: T9>JT for calling because you have K9 but not KT.
Thanks Daniel! I appreciate the compliments. I think I figured it out around 32 mins in the video :)
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