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$500 Zoom Jungle Style: Bizarre Permutations

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$500 Zoom Jungle Style: Bizarre Permutations

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POSTED Dec 03, 2021

Ben Sulsky aka Sauce123 continues battling the $500 zoom games with a two-headed approach considering how Jungle would play upcoming spots. He recaps on the advantages and disadvantages of balancing your ranges in a more natural way than most solvers do and gets served plenty of interesting decisions to illustrate this way of playing.

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matlittle 3 years, 3 months ago

You seem to have been printing money since adopting the mentality of the jungle!

12.40 AQ on AK8
You mention here that you will play 2 flop bet sizings on this board - how many board types do you do this on? Is it mostly Ace-Broadway-X boards, or do you do it on other types too?

38.57 A9ss on KT3ss8s
I get a little confused here too with which nut flushes to bet (in GTO based strategies - if we ignore our opponent likely being recreational here) - A9ss unblocks lots of other flushes with the lower kicker so it's easier to get value from worse flushes by betting, however this unblocking effect will also increase the IP betting frequency if we check. AQss blocks more opponent flushes (so I have been told to trap more often with this hand type by other video makers), but it also blocks some of IP's betting hands too (Q flushes). I have seen PIO betting more often with the AQ flushes in some spots I think, contrary to what I've been told. I assume whether we are IP or OOP, and the SPR will also have effects on which combos are best for trapping?

Sauce123 3 years, 3 months ago

@12:40- It's mostly on Axx boards where OOP is 3betting the offsuiit combos of the top two cards; i.e., AKx AQx BU vs BB and AKx vs other posiitions.

@38:57, It's more about the baserate of betting with range. If we're 40% bet, we'll end up betting a lot of flushes, if we're 15% bet we'll mostly slowplay. In general, big flushing combinatiiions are almost always slowplaying and the middle and low ones are mixing it up.

ItsPokaBruv 3 years, 3 months ago

Hi Ben,
29min AQ vs the river 5x shove. Its interesting that you don’t feel it’s important to bluff catch in that situation. Feels like calling just 55 and A3 would have you overfolding. Is it not important because its an under bluffed spot? Or because optimally your hand is 0ev and its such a rare situation that overfolding wont hurt your win rate?
13min FYI I believe low suited connecters do call the 4bet when IP. My solver seems to suggest playing more of a 5b shove or fold strategy OOP and more calls IP, protecting that range with AA. Although the EV or these calls depends on opponents 4betting freq.
15min the 64s hand. When deciding whether you have the odds to call on the turn, how are you calculating that? Have you heard of capture factors? I am wondering if you are multiplying your odds based on how much you capture on the river when you hit and stack your opponent? If so by what and how are you arriving at that number?
Oh and as for your play I think your postflop play is good, preflop isnt perfect (i wont laugh at the 34s call as I want you to make more videos haha)

Sauce123 3 years, 3 months ago

@29min- I just don't think we need to call all that much to make opponent indifferent. AQ mixes call. I like my opponent's play, tough spot!

@13min- Yea folding there is a punt

@15min- You're trying to estimate the entire river node. It's just not goiing to work though because my opponent is strong and there won't be a high enough river betting frequency to give me implied odds. I lose to their bluffs.

Jeff_ 3 years, 3 months ago

Postflop sharp, preflop not xD
I think compare to many regs (and coaches here) you play very well vs weak players though not many of those in the pool.

27 min AKvsBU flat, how would you perceive this situation if you are button? After turn overbet button weakest continue hand Ax (if not count T9/65 - not so sure if have them pre too). Now river - when agressor have Ax it reduced amount of Ax button can have by decent bit. Vice versa when button have Ax you likely either have airball or very strong hand

Sauce123 3 years, 3 months ago

We bluff less because of the blocker effect. Given we hold a bluff we construct a range such that our opponent's medium aces are neutral EV.

Christopher George 3 years, 3 months ago

Do you speak Jungle? It's a beautiful language. I used to coach Jungle in Stud games. I often brought up the concept of using side cards/blockers to determine frequencies to try and simplify randomizing indifference scenarios. It's something I started doing to become harder to play against good players in 8-game (pre-solver era) and it still holds up and transfers beautifully to almost every game. I enjoyed this series, it's been fun seeing you in the games again and I hope to see more videos.

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 3 months ago

36min If you were your opponent would you consider jamming the KsQx to get people off chops?

Sauce123 3 years, 3 months ago

I ran this one. It's a very tricky spot. OOP plays around 60% bet, mostly B30, and bets hands as weak as 2PR with a high frequency. OOP has enough small pocket pairs to balance a bluffing range.

wadja94 3 years, 3 months ago

Hi Ben, very impressive how you quickly cut the "useless stuff" and how it directly transmits into more efficient gameplan, especially considering how little you've been playing nowadays.

For next videos topics, how about analyzing some funky highstakes HHs where some creative moves could be explained by the solver ? Curiosity has to be a key factor for you these days.

Also gotta admit I will deeply miss the liveplay videos once you stop them, such a classic over the years !

Thanks

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