2:41 KQo hand, do you think it's fine strategy to shift such hands, witch won't play well 200bb deep, pure into call range, and 4bet more stuff like Axs,Kxs, maybe some suited broadways etc? Or that is exploitable in some way?
Another question regarding 4bet ranges deep, do we still 4b hands such as 99-JJ being this deep? BvB for ex.
As stacks get deeper 4b ranges contain more hands that perform well against tight ranges at higher SPRs, so Axs, Kxs, suited connectors. But it's definitely exploitable to build a range that only contains those hands as semibluffs, for example we'll struggle to find semibluffs on 3flushing boards.
same hand but different question, you mentioned that on the river want to block and bet bigger. Can we cut block size and introduce normal size and big one (we have more nut combinations and airballs on the river, therefore polar sizing is good). As far block do you want to introduce it solely for AT/T9/Ts type of hand, everything below I think is bit too weak to bet
I'm not sure you needed 20 minutes in PIO to determine that floating jack high in a 4bet pot out of position vs a flop raise with a sub 1 SPR going to the turn is spew.
Great series though. Inspires me to play better and more accurate.
So for the 764 4b pot I copied the parameters of Ben's sim with a simplified version of some preflop solves for this spot that I have, and like Ben I couldn't find a leading frequency here almost at all. However, changing the effective stacks to that of 100bb to start the hand produced a ~10% leading frequency for oop. JTcc basically never used the lead, but the EV of 20% lead and the EV of check were close.
I was surprised by the IP response. Pretty passive, only ~10% raise, mixing between the small size and a shove and mostly just raising with QQ/JJ.
I think it's pretty easy to imagine BBB having studied this spot for 100bb and found the lead, and then not appropriately adjusting for the extra stack depth in this particular hand. I guess it's also possible he thought he might be able to get Ben to go over the recommended 5% fold frequency as well.
4:20 you open raise T9o in CO. Is that standart considering lower rake, lower sizing and 4way play or still on the looser side even at 50/100? I play 500z and solver suggests about 27% open raise range for 2,5x.
Ben, I mean can u not make it so complicated. I learned so much from ur vid 4 years ago. u shine so much, but now seems just randomize and solver number crunch, not what I am looking for. keep it simple, u r my hero!
i think there are some viable exploitative approaches that might seem simpler, but mostly i think playing high level poker has just gotten more complicated. AFAIK nearly all the top players are using solvers combined with explo play to one degree or another.
In the AKhh vs J8hh hand, why does AKcc show up as a +EV call on the river for Villain? I find this counter-intuitive.
My assumption is that the solver chooses not to bluff on the river in Hero's shoes when Hero holds clubs because Hero wants to unblock clubs in Villain's folding range. Therefore, when Villain holds AKcc, this unblocks the non-club hands in Hero's bluffing range, making a call profitable. The only problem with this logic is that I think you can get into an endless loop where bluffing with clubs becomes profitable for Hero again if Villain will start calling with clubs.
@ 13:55 you talk about opponents shoving range on K946dd 6, and we see in PIO that he shoves almost all KQ and checks a decent amount of AK, is this because AK is blocking a section IP's calling range of A9?
Been a bit out of touch the NL so forgive me here.
Sometimes IP draws the XC range out of AK because holding A in hand decreases X behind freq from villain's A hi and unblocks some weaker bluffing hands. In this particular case I think blocking the A9 is probably a fairly important effect too. OOP needs to build a XC range from some region, but it's pretty small differentiators.
Hi Ben, nice video. In the AK v JTs 4-bet pot did you consider treating his small bet like a check and looking for a check-bet-call line in PIO? Then you could see if JTs is calling a bet otf and going from there. Because when you give him stronger and stronger range you make it unrealistic also. Instead you could treat it like a check and see if AK is double-barreling the turn or bluffing the river.
A flaw I see in your sim on the 764 board, is that you did not include enough medium and small pocket pair combos for OOP's 3bet/call range in order for him to donk flop. You only gave him 5% of 66-99 and zero 44 combos. If you increase the frequency of those combos being in OOP's range (giving him way more sets and a clear nut advantage since IP has almost no sets), he then smashes the 764 flop and you will see a much higher donk flop frequency. I think this may be a pretty big mistake to assume OOP barely has any sets on this board...
After running a sim with this adjustment and your same bet sizing parameters, you should be bluffing AKo on the river at a super high frequency on 764TQ. With AdKc (your specific combo), it is a substantial mistake to not jam the river and losing around 5bb by checking down (IF you give OOP more pocket pairs/sets in his range and more AA, and a bit less weak stuff like you touched on such as AQo).
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2:41 KQo hand, do you think it's fine strategy to shift such hands, witch won't play well 200bb deep, pure into call range, and 4bet more stuff like Axs,Kxs, maybe some suited broadways etc? Or that is exploitable in some way?
Another question regarding 4bet ranges deep, do we still 4b hands such as 99-JJ being this deep? BvB for ex.
As stacks get deeper 4b ranges contain more hands that perform well against tight ranges at higher SPRs, so Axs, Kxs, suited connectors. But it's definitely exploitable to build a range that only contains those hands as semibluffs, for example we'll struggle to find semibluffs on 3flushing boards.
same hand but different question, you mentioned that on the river want to block and bet bigger. Can we cut block size and introduce normal size and big one (we have more nut combinations and airballs on the river, therefore polar sizing is good). As far block do you want to introduce it solely for AT/T9/Ts type of hand, everything below I think is bit too weak to bet
I think most of the betting will be in the Kx sizing on river, similar to what I used
great video
As someone who hates 2 card poker this has been a tremendous series both for educational and entertainment purposes.
I'm not sure you needed 20 minutes in PIO to determine that floating jack high in a 4bet pot out of position vs a flop raise with a sub 1 SPR going to the turn is spew.
Great series though. Inspires me to play better and more accurate.
Can BTN raise a bit wider as stacks get deeper?
Yes
So for the 764 4b pot I copied the parameters of Ben's sim with a simplified version of some preflop solves for this spot that I have, and like Ben I couldn't find a leading frequency here almost at all. However, changing the effective stacks to that of 100bb to start the hand produced a ~10% leading frequency for oop. JTcc basically never used the lead, but the EV of 20% lead and the EV of check were close.
I was surprised by the IP response. Pretty passive, only ~10% raise, mixing between the small size and a shove and mostly just raising with QQ/JJ.
I think it's pretty easy to imagine BBB having studied this spot for 100bb and found the lead, and then not appropriately adjusting for the extra stack depth in this particular hand. I guess it's also possible he thought he might be able to get Ben to go over the recommended 5% fold frequency as well.
Great series.
4:20 you open raise T9o in CO. Is that standart considering lower rake, lower sizing and 4way play or still on the looser side even at 50/100? I play 500z and solver suggests about 27% open raise range for 2,5x.
It's on the looser side, should be about 0EV.
Ben, I mean can u not make it so complicated. I learned so much from ur vid 4 years ago. u shine so much, but now seems just randomize and solver number crunch, not what I am looking for. keep it simple, u r my hero!
i think there are some viable exploitative approaches that might seem simpler, but mostly i think playing high level poker has just gotten more complicated. AFAIK nearly all the top players are using solvers combined with explo play to one degree or another.
Oldschool is newschool! :D
In the AKhh vs J8hh hand, why does AKcc show up as a +EV call on the river for Villain? I find this counter-intuitive.
My assumption is that the solver chooses not to bluff on the river in Hero's shoes when Hero holds clubs because Hero wants to unblock clubs in Villain's folding range. Therefore, when Villain holds AKcc, this unblocks the non-club hands in Hero's bluffing range, making a call profitable. The only problem with this logic is that I think you can get into an endless loop where bluffing with clubs becomes profitable for Hero again if Villain will start calling with clubs.
What do you think, Ben?
Hi Ben. Good job on the series!
@ 13:55 you talk about opponents shoving range on K946dd 6, and we see in PIO that he shoves almost all KQ and checks a decent amount of AK, is this because AK is blocking a section IP's calling range of A9?
Been a bit out of touch the NL so forgive me here.
Thanks.
Sometimes IP draws the XC range out of AK because holding A in hand decreases X behind freq from villain's A hi and unblocks some weaker bluffing hands. In this particular case I think blocking the A9 is probably a fairly important effect too. OOP needs to build a XC range from some region, but it's pretty small differentiators.
Hi Ben, nice video. In the AK v JTs 4-bet pot did you consider treating his small bet like a check and looking for a check-bet-call line in PIO? Then you could see if JTs is calling a bet otf and going from there. Because when you give him stronger and stronger range you make it unrealistic also. Instead you could treat it like a check and see if AK is double-barreling the turn or bluffing the river.
It´s a pleasure watching and listening to your explanations! Are you the best player in Poker? I think you might be!
A flaw I see in your sim on the 764 board, is that you did not include enough medium and small pocket pair combos for OOP's 3bet/call range in order for him to donk flop. You only gave him 5% of 66-99 and zero 44 combos. If you increase the frequency of those combos being in OOP's range (giving him way more sets and a clear nut advantage since IP has almost no sets), he then smashes the 764 flop and you will see a much higher donk flop frequency. I think this may be a pretty big mistake to assume OOP barely has any sets on this board...
After running a sim with this adjustment and your same bet sizing parameters, you should be bluffing AKo on the river at a super high frequency on 764TQ. With AdKc (your specific combo), it is a substantial mistake to not jam the river and losing around 5bb by checking down (IF you give OOP more pocket pairs/sets in his range and more AA, and a bit less weak stuff like you touched on such as AQo).
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