Mid/High Stakes PLO Hand Review
Posted by André Santos
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Excellent video André! Your videos are really packed full of knowledge. Even though you're covering concepts I'm already familiar with, there still ends up being important details to learn in almost every hand and every slide. Your videos are really among the most informative on the site. Hope to see more from you soon!
Nice Video.
In the AA on 832ss hand, I know the point wasn't to deice to call or jam it was more of a exercise of looking at things to consider. I'd just add that if we are almost neutral to stack off and we have no FE we can also just call and open jam non wheel and spade turns. That would be harder to sim though.
Hi Zachary,
Yes, when you have a really good idea of villain's range (like in this case), I think that's definitely an option to consider. As you say it's harder to sim, but in most cases you can deduce (by simple logic) whether or not (calling) is better than shoving.
Hi, a short question regards the JJ hand. You say he is value betting 32k hands on river and we need 33% equity to call (2:1 pot odds) - to me that means he needs to show up with 16k bluffing hands so the relation between value and bluffs is 2:1 and we get right price to BE call. He has 23k hands he could be bluffing with which means he has to bluff 16k of his 23k potzential bluffing hands which is 70%. You calculated it differenly coming up with only 46%. So to me 33% means 16k hands he has to be bluffing with but for you its 10k. Would be nice if you check that and let me know your answer. Thanks!
Hi opn_mindet,
You're absolutely right. Thank you for noticing that. Unfortunately I also made the same mistake on hand 1.
Below is a correction of this calcultations (first pic shows the formulas and the 2nd one the results)
This changes quite a bit the results (from 28% to 40% on the first hand and from 46% to 70% on the 2nd). My apologies for the mistake.André
I advise Runitonce to name the authors of the videos with their screennames, and not their real names (unless it is Phil Galfond, then you can name him whatever you like). I almost skipped this video at first, cause "who the f is Andre Santos?" But then looked his bio and found out that he is "Sira Al Aziz".
Very nice video BTW.
Great video Andre!
Last hand, how do you assign these weighted range changes from 70 to 40 with the NFD, 100 to 90 w/ KKxx, just ballparking?
Hi Replay,
Yes, it's just a guess. In the first case villain is opening ~70% and folding ~30% to 3b (if i remember correctly), so he's getting to the flop w/ ~50% or so of his hands. As I think he gets there with more NFD hands than the "average" hand I estimated he'd have 70% of NFD. I used the same logic for the 40% NFD when he opens from CO.
Andre, in cases like this I use to notate 50%:(As*s). Especially when we are dealing with wide ranges, I feel this is more accurate than a wild guess of mine. Is my approach OK for a less experienced guy?
No problem sir. Thanks for your quick reponse.
Fantastic video again.
Just one question, for hand 5, how did you estimate the frequencies of hands for both BTN and CO exactly? Put another way, why does BTN have 70% of NFD type hands but CO only have 40% and why those numbers exactly?
Hi Chiraag,
It was a very rough guess. The logic I used was something like this: villain's opening about 70% of hands and folding 30% to 3b, so he's getting to the flop w/ 50% of his "4 random cards" hands. If he has a hand suited to the ace he's more likely to play it then the average hand, so I'm guessing he's gonna be playing about 70% of those. I applied the same logic for the CO range.
In hand 5, by raising so small it seems like he's saying he can raise-fold. Otherwise there's no reason to have this sizing. Of course, we don't have to believe him, and he's probably not folding often (if at all). Do you think he's just folding so rarely that it doesn't affect the calculation?
Hi DirtyD,
I think that's a good point and yes I think the size he made influences his range a bit (he probably does this with a more polarized range: either rly strong hands and bluffs). However, I choose to ignore this and basically analyzed the hand as if he was raising pot, mainly because it's a more common spot. If I were to analyze the specific hand in question (instead of the more common spot) I'd have to include some F.E. on our part and probably a stronger get it in range on his part.
Hi, I like the small concepts in the video from a math point of view.
I have one comment on hand 3: You seem to assign foldngst8n a very tight range for stacking off. 1) He's leading, which (sometimes) means that he will not have the very nutty hands in his leading range 2) Even if 1) is not true and he donk/calls his entire stacking range, it still consists of a lot of JT98ss/KQT8/AJT8ss that you are ahead of + they are more likely than the AKQJ/KQJT/QJT9 which are 3bets most of the time for any solid player in this spot 3) You can say that you are scared of PauleAdler's range somewhat, but consider both how likely he has a hand (not very often since he has the widest range pre and both you and SB block so many of the straight cards) and what's his threshold for stacking off with two very strong ranges jamming infront of him. For me he's close to a non-factor in this hand.
What do you think about this?
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