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$10/$20 PLO on GG: Playing a Bit Deeper

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postwar18 2 years, 8 months ago

I enjoy your content. If anything, I'd just like it to be a bit longer.

22:17 Table 2: I've been doing some work on these spots, and it seems you may not be continuing enough if you x/f KK with nut gutshot draws. Hero has a tremendous number of hands without any sort of straight draw; therefore, I think that nut straight draws with somewhat pairs need to contnue, even though rivers will be very difficult to play. This assumes, of course, that IP will not bluff 100% of air on river. You correctly note that we basically have to fold our hand on all non K or 8 rivers. However, IP should have tons of garbage-such as 8842-and I don't think he's allowed to bluff all of it on a blank river.

Alien Slayer 2 years, 8 months ago

good catch! we will end up overfolding if we fold this hand. I checked quickly in vision on a A65r 8r board and with KKT9 it's pure x/c. with any Ax we only x/f 12% as well.

cardiffgiant 2 years, 8 months ago

Last hand vs Suhepx can you talk about his bet sizing? Would you treat this as a paired flop(certainly a lot dif than a KK8 flop) when neither player has many 2s or 99? Would think ip wants to bet bigger putting pressure on hands like KKxx and a hand like yours.

Alien Slayer 2 years, 8 months ago

in the solver it's a pure 1/3PS bet with his range and I would recommend to play it the same vs regulars.
The 3b has the equity range advantage with him having plenty of AA , but he doesn't have a polarity advantage for trips+ . Furthermore if he has strong hands like OP+NFD he wants to build the pot but keep the range wide with hands he has dominated.

SoundSpeed 2 years, 8 months ago

Excellent analysis!

8:08 and 17:21 table 2 and table 1 you fold kkj6r and qqt4r respectively. What is the bottom of your kkj qqt rainbow open rng? Do you want that 6 and 4 to be at least a T and a 9?

9:20 table 2 can you ever chk this hand back as this flop isn't always that great for us and it strengthens our chk back rng?

18:31 table 2 if one of our kings was suited can we open the kk43 hand?

19:20 table 1 do we have to stack off there with any board pair?

23:30 do you get a leading rng? Would our hand get to lead or do we need the nut flush to do so?

Thanks!

Alien Slayer 2 years, 8 months ago
  1. at 50bb vision opens all KKJxr from the CO and almost all from the MP , so theory-wise it seems like I am too nitty in this spot. However, if the table is rather loose and/or aggressive I prefer folding these hands since they perform poorly vs 3b and MW.
    the QQT4 is a rather easy fold because the blinds have a very profitable SQZ spot if we decide to flat here. at 50bb vision flats only 2% and 3b 7% CO vs MP . also at 100bb it would remain a fold.

    1. I feel like this hand needs a lot of protection and blocks quite a bit of his strong hands. He will still have to x/c with plenty of OP and 8x and on many turns my hand is significantly weaker then on the flop . I rather x back a pair + GS type of hand that has good turns but hates to get x/r

    2. yes, def.

    3. yes, any board pair without a pocket pair should be a stackoff at this SPR

    4. GTO doensnt have a leading range and I wouldnt recommend it neither since we need to protect our x range . It becomes very difficult to balance (for example we have very few NF-blockers) and as mentioned in the video even NF is not that happy with KK being well present in both players' ranges

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