Congratulations on all of your success and it is great having you back. I am really looking forward to many more vpip videos.
At 4:20 I am surprised we don't get a 70% or 80% pot size bet to get value from draws and pair+ draws especially with us having the straight blocker.
24:15 when the btn calls off of an ultra short stack you mention in theory this is done with hands like T9s. Is there basically no stack size limitation to calling hands like suited connectors or weaker broadways? What if the opener was utg?
Hands like suited connectors especially need decent stack sizes to realize eq. It seems strange to flat off such a short stack.
If we were 20bb deep and did this with T9s are we really just going with it on a T high board vs ep or mp facing barrels?
Regarding 4:20, our hand will end up valuecutting too often in the bigger sizing node as our opponents can still have a lot of better hands.
As for t9s, well, we want to vpip hands like these at pretty much all stacksizes as they have a lot of eq vs opening ranges and we're getting pretty good odds. Yes, our eqr is higher at bigger stack depths but it's still enough for us to call here. And yeah we aren't really looking to fold top pair at low spr.
Thank you. I generally try to round up mixed strategies to 50/50 as that makes it much easier to implement. Of course this isn't possible for every scenario, but for the scenarios that it is possible it can be achieved by skipping the very low frequency fringe actions and focusing on the higher frequency ones. If they are close to 100%, then round that up there. Close to 0%, then 0. Close to 50%, then 50 and let the randomizer do the work. I don't believe we should strive to achieve a solver perfect strategy but instead getting as close to optimal as we humanly can.
Hey alex, how are you ?
Nice video.
At 6:20 you decided mix your strategy beetwen bet and check on this flop, but since we are multway with big blind, don't you think the frequency between check and bet goes up towards beting ? how is your approach since the big blind is on the hand, some of sims I have seen like this is that we need more betting from this hands than hu cenario. I would like to hear your thoughts, thanks.
Hey, thank you. I haven't really run any 150-200bb 3way sims but for the 100bb ones that I have seen because OOP gets to check a lot, IP has to be somewhat considerate with betting frequencies on the flop. I agree we generally do more betting than in a HU situation but we are still supposed to check back these type of hands somewhat often based on my experience.
The 7xB 3! sizing with AJo about minute 5 I guess is standard because we are OOP and it is early. I wonder, because you are picking up 4xBB and you lose 17.5xBB when you have to fold to a 4!. Is that sizing getting called often? Is AJo easy to play when you get flat called? I can see you would want to go large with JJ+/AK if you are getting called often. You are obviously may above BTN's range, but I wondered about the 3! and the sizing. It just looks strange, but I guess it is standard now.
Hey, our 3bet sizing needs to be quite big in this spot because of a bunch of parameters like stacksize, our 3bet range construction, btn's opening range, beeing OOP etc. AJo is at pretty much the stone bottom of our value 3betting range and it is indeed one of the tougher postflop hands in this situation, but it should still be making more money than flatting. Against tighter opponents I could see it getting much closer.
Greetings Alex,
At the end of the video 34:45 you say that you use 50/50 with hands like gutshot KJ and 50/50 again for size.
1) I was wandering if thats a trouble against a thoughtful opponent that can think that a small turn size range lack many value hands.
That doesnt happen only if you also rng 50/50 small and big size with monsters like sets/ straights etc (which you propably already doing),
As we say in Greek, If I play the devil's advocate, if you go small with these monsters we lose value no ?
2) So could we ever use only 1 size (big) for turn and accordingly with less hands ?
Hey, good questions! Regarding being in trouble against an opponent that thinks they can read into our sizing, well, if we are somewhat balanced then it just doesn't matter much. With certain reads that an opponent might be overfolding vs small sizing or that he might be too aggressive against a small sizing etc we can go for different type of exploits but without reads on our opponent, it doesn't matter how he perceives it.
As for your second question, sure. You can always simplify strategies for a cost. I don't think the cost here would be very severe but I do see a pretty nice benefit of using small sizes due to the amount of autofolds in IP's range (namely pocket pairs and suited ax).
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Congratulations on all of your success and it is great having you back. I am really looking forward to many more vpip videos.
At 4:20 I am surprised we don't get a 70% or 80% pot size bet to get value from draws and pair+ draws especially with us having the straight blocker.
24:15 when the btn calls off of an ultra short stack you mention in theory this is done with hands like T9s. Is there basically no stack size limitation to calling hands like suited connectors or weaker broadways? What if the opener was utg?
Hands like suited connectors especially need decent stack sizes to realize eq. It seems strange to flat off such a short stack.
If we were 20bb deep and did this with T9s are we really just going with it on a T high board vs ep or mp facing barrels?
Thanks.
Thank you!
Regarding 4:20, our hand will end up valuecutting too often in the bigger sizing node as our opponents can still have a lot of better hands.
As for t9s, well, we want to vpip hands like these at pretty much all stacksizes as they have a lot of eq vs opening ranges and we're getting pretty good odds. Yes, our eqr is higher at bigger stack depths but it's still enough for us to call here. And yeah we aren't really looking to fold top pair at low spr.
Nice video! :) . How do you get your mixed strategies as close to 50 50? Thanks for the video
Thank you. I generally try to round up mixed strategies to 50/50 as that makes it much easier to implement. Of course this isn't possible for every scenario, but for the scenarios that it is possible it can be achieved by skipping the very low frequency fringe actions and focusing on the higher frequency ones. If they are close to 100%, then round that up there. Close to 0%, then 0. Close to 50%, then 50 and let the randomizer do the work. I don't believe we should strive to achieve a solver perfect strategy but instead getting as close to optimal as we humanly can.
Hey alex, how are you ?
Nice video.
At 6:20 you decided mix your strategy beetwen bet and check on this flop, but since we are multway with big blind, don't you think the frequency between check and bet goes up towards beting ? how is your approach since the big blind is on the hand, some of sims I have seen like this is that we need more betting from this hands than hu cenario. I would like to hear your thoughts, thanks.
Hey, thank you. I haven't really run any 150-200bb 3way sims but for the 100bb ones that I have seen because OOP gets to check a lot, IP has to be somewhat considerate with betting frequencies on the flop. I agree we generally do more betting than in a HU situation but we are still supposed to check back these type of hands somewhat often based on my experience.
The 7xB 3! sizing with AJo about minute 5 I guess is standard because we are OOP and it is early. I wonder, because you are picking up 4xBB and you lose 17.5xBB when you have to fold to a 4!. Is that sizing getting called often? Is AJo easy to play when you get flat called? I can see you would want to go large with JJ+/AK if you are getting called often. You are obviously may above BTN's range, but I wondered about the 3! and the sizing. It just looks strange, but I guess it is standard now.
Hey, our 3bet sizing needs to be quite big in this spot because of a bunch of parameters like stacksize, our 3bet range construction, btn's opening range, beeing OOP etc. AJo is at pretty much the stone bottom of our value 3betting range and it is indeed one of the tougher postflop hands in this situation, but it should still be making more money than flatting. Against tighter opponents I could see it getting much closer.
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Greetings Alex,
At the end of the video 34:45 you say that you use 50/50 with hands like gutshot KJ and 50/50 again for size.
1) I was wandering if thats a trouble against a thoughtful opponent that can think that a small turn size range lack many value hands.
That doesnt happen only if you also rng 50/50 small and big size with monsters like sets/ straights etc (which you propably already doing),
As we say in Greek, If I play the devil's advocate, if you go small with these monsters we lose value no ?
2) So could we ever use only 1 size (big) for turn and accordingly with less hands ?
Hey, good questions! Regarding being in trouble against an opponent that thinks they can read into our sizing, well, if we are somewhat balanced then it just doesn't matter much. With certain reads that an opponent might be overfolding vs small sizing or that he might be too aggressive against a small sizing etc we can go for different type of exploits but without reads on our opponent, it doesn't matter how he perceives it.
As for your second question, sure. You can always simplify strategies for a cost. I don't think the cost here would be very severe but I do see a pretty nice benefit of using small sizes due to the amount of autofolds in IP's range (namely pocket pairs and suited ax).
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