SCOOP $109: Grinding the Large Field
Posted by Adam Crawford
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Really good analysis, Adam.
17:20 how low into the axo will you go in these lp vs lp 3bet spots? Do you add in some suited middling kx as well or should we flat those a bit more?
22:57 you talked about qts being ok to call at this stack depth. At what stack depth do you start shifting the strat to more 3bets? Is it you and the openers stack depth you are more concerned with or the stacks behind?
38:45 is this river a bet/fold spot even with the spade blocker?
Thanks!
17:20 A8o is as low as we should go, and even then it should be a low frequency play like 20%. Other bluff candidates J8s, Q8s, K8s, K7s, all 10-20% and flatting the rest of the time.
22:57 QTs should be getting flatted there at every stack depth, 3betting is low frequency in that position. The deeper you get the more I would 3bet it, but not a huge adjustment.
38:45 Very opponent dependant spot. You can just safely fold in spots where you are valuebetting the bottom of your range and you get raised. If you are playing against someone spewy who is taking too many spots It is fine to look them up. They would mostly be repping a flush if they raised so the 9s is a good card to hero with.
WP sir.
Didnt love your line w the Aces OTB. Flatting pre is fine, but double checking MW seems meh imo. I think the opener def has some overpairs/f'ds etc that are planning to x/j vs ur stab. Kinda want to charge BB w pairs, f/d's gutters etc as well. Facing a x/r from BB is not going to happen all that much. I mean sure he can have some 2 pairs+, but thats obv something ur willing to live w when u trap aces pre. You said u wanted to x more w/o a club, and bet more w a club, to me i kinda thought of it the other way around (not saying im right) but imo would rather x back w a club as its a bit nicer when a club rolls off OTT we block flushes and feel a bit better about our hand facing a big turn bet from either villain. Down to hear ur thoughts on that.
20:44 Any reason not raising this BvB? Feels like a pure 3x-3.5x vs almost anyone, except a vamo sicko that is gunna NAI 3 bet or jam like nuts on us haha. I like postflop, just curious why u didnt raise pre.
24:23. Flop feels like a big bet or x. U did say u wanted to 1/3 a lot here, but going small means ur betting a large portion of ur range which to me doesnt make much sense. U have a lot of top pairs u dont want to bet here, like pretty much A2s-A3o- to A9o. Even like AT. Qx and Jx mostly checking, so not sure about the small sizing approach. Would bet polar here and w ur specific hand AK feels like 5-6bb. Id bet like AK/ 2 pairs+ and then like high equity draws K9hh and some hands like JT that im playing to triple off and then some low pp's 22-44 as my triple barrel bluffs, especially if it goes HU v button. I think SB/BB play super face up here vs ur c bet and x/r the top of their range OTF, so if u get a call OTF, ur AK could prob get 3 streets of value on a dece amount of runouts and ur bluffs yield so much EV cuz there range is so capped by not x/r'ing the flop. If hearts come in and dont have a heart blocker, prob my only give ups as I think hearts only strong hands they can have by the river that dont x/r flop.
down to hear some feedback on my thought process in these hands. Once again, obv not saying im right, just what I would do and respect ur opinion so can change the way I think if u dont agree w it.
Hey man, thanks for commenting and your thoughtful analysis!
AA flat: These spots are tricky multiway. Your thought process is solid, I don't really disagree with anything you said. This spot is a conflicting one. I would prefer to play my hand differently vs the 18bb guy as I would the 50bb guy. Overall I think I should tailor my line more to the 50bb stack rather than the 18bb stack since much more is at stake vs the 50bb guy.
As far as club vs non-club: There are tradeoffs for either line. Not having the club makes betting better vs the shorter stack because I can stack his nut flush draws. Vs the 50bb guy, I would much rather have the club in my betting range. The reason for that is that he has all the flush draw combos, so not only do I block an out, but I am drawing live when they turn the flush. If a bad turn card like 4c for example, hits on the turn, I want the pot to be as small as possible when I have AA no club, my hand is essentially dead on turns like that. Board coverage is more important the deeper we get. Important to realize as well that my hand needs no protection, 88 thru TT would be pure bets in that spot.
Here is a sim for this flop spot vs the 50bb guy (if it was heads up vs him)
As you can see, AA rarely is betting at all, and only when it includes a club.
Here is the sim for the flop spot vs the 18bb guy
There is a bit more betting going on but still heavily checking. Around 50% betting with club, and 20% without the club. I think the key reason why AA checks so much is just the value in keeping in all the broadway combos that we have crushed.
20:44 A lot of hands are supposed to mix 30bb from the SB. K9o is one of them. Would raise it sometimes, GTO ranges are like 60% raise 40% limp with that hand.
24:23: You are spot on here. I think I was just misapplying the spot and not accounting for the 3-way pot, which as you pointed out, makes our betting range polar. There are a lot of 3 broadway board spots you bet small in heads-up pots, probably had that in my head.
@36:07 What preflop charts do you use?
Rangeconverter
Thanks the response Adam, appreciate it. Really liked your explanation of betting v checking w a club or not a club. Still being live having outs to redraw to nut flush when BB makes flush OTT is something I didnt consider enough. Thanks for tossing the sim in there as well.
20:24: Id still pure open this combo regardless of what the charts said vs population in a soft big field $109 but thats just me. Raising more BvB more than what GTO ranges are doing always something I like to do, cuz pop massively under 3 bets this node (Id say one of most underbluffed parts of MTT's is the NAI 20-300bb effective 3bet bluff from BB v SB open) and theyre going to x back too much as well. Obv one of main reasons GTO mixes and limps a lot, is there expecting to get 3 bet a lot, but its so rarely happening we dont have to be worried getting bluffed off our equity.
24:33: Interesting hand. Agree turn most likely behind for sure. These MW 3 broadway boards are tricky to navigate. If i c bet flop big and SB's x/r's me, im folding AKo. So I think x/r'ing these boards very aggressively MW is pretty good in these games atm cuz people usually just have it a lot when they do that and can get better hands to fold. Would attack the 1/3 sizings the most, people c betting like weak top pairs and shit, just taking like any f/d and x/r'ing gutters etc making them fold better hands seems quite good imo.
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