6-Max NLHE Hand Review
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In min 15:00-16:30 you're evaluating the turn, and said he could potentially have AJdd, then later state on the river he could have AQ/ATo in his range. Even though he had AQo I don't feel that's in his range limping pre/ not sure I could be wrong. I think you forget he limped pre those combos aren't really in his hand given he's a reg. I really like the video though a lot of insight on sizing, ranges, etc.
Hey James,
Thx for the video, i liked it.
36:00
- What is the best hand to triple barrel bluff with in a spot like that?
Would u do it with QhJh?
- It blocks KhQh, KhJh, QQ og JJ, which all are hands that he calls down with, right?
I thought it was "std" to 3-bet AK vs MP, but call vs UTG.
Most people at NL100+ these days, have a 18%+ openrange MP, or thats what i see for the most part, but maybe i'm wrong?
Ty for the answer and it makes alot of sense.
Looks like i cant replay to your post?
u shoud only 3bet aa vs mp to reduce variance.
Ifallow i like your avatar in stars and if its u im in love
what do you think about shoving the first JJ hand after his xr? There isnt too much money behind anymore and he has usually at least 6 outs and your range is basically 88-JJ in villains eyes, so he gets to play turn and river pretty perfect.
Hello James. The A5hh @34 mins Do you not think as played we probably overbet the river as Villain is basically capped except the odd time he turns up with a King. I'm not sure how many draws Villain will double float on a paired board not getting a great price. So it seems like the bulk of his range his 77-JJ so I'm not sure betting 70% pot vs that range is effective but it's going to be tough for him to call vs a huge bet. Interesting the way you broke down the hand and how the blockers are very good in this spot.
Hey, I'm not sure that I love overbetting as villain is fairly likely to slowplay all trips+ combos on a board like this. Also, betting 70-75% pot should force villain to call down with hands as weak as 1010 and I'm not sure that most people are actually calling 3 barrels in that spot given positions. That being said, I should have more quad combos than villain so maybe I should just be bombing a big chunk of my range. I'm not really sure which bet size I like best :)
hey James,
At 6.30 you say there is no other play than to check back with JJ. Would it be ridiculous to just shove here as a VB ? I'm guessing that most vilains after using such a weird line and this kind of turn bet are going to auto-shove the river with anything that beats you and they dont really have a balanced check-calling range. So you almost always have the best hand river, don't you ?
Even it is hard to see what he is going to check call you with on the river he will be given more than 4 to 1. He just might have hit the 9 river and prefer to c/c it. Also you have very few kings in your range. You will have some KQs, KJs that have a bd flush draw. That means that if you don't VB Jacks river then you bet for value very few hands in this spot and vilain is given more than 4 to 1. I can see some bluff in your range here given that you dont give vilain too much credit on the flop. Any float with 2 overcards and hearts, 65hh, 64hh, 54s, A2hh, A3hh
Hey, in the last hand what does your range look like when you get to this river? I feel like QJ would not be high enough in my range for me to call so maybe my turn calling range is too tight. I'm probably folding a lot of mid pairs on the turn which could be incorrect.
Hey, I'm getting to the river vs most people with a range of 99 or better and a bunch of draws. If you get to the river without those pairs then you probably shouldn't need to call with all your Jx to stop villain from auto profiting but I'd suspect that he's making a lot of money off of you on the earlier streets. Also, given how dynamic the board is, I'd imagine a lot of people are doing a lot of turn raising which makes the river play less significant ( I think) than on a dryer board.
Really enjoyed the video James. Lots of really interesting spots. My thoughts:
- I really prefer just shipping the flop on the first hand with JJ when checkraised. He shuts down with most of his bluffs unless he improves or a scare card hits, the latter of which puts us in a guessing game. Overall I just think we're making a mistake by allowing him to realize his equity, even if just for one street. I'd be all for slowplaying my nutted hands where him improving would be great for us.
- On the third hand with KJo it's important to note that the card removal elements drastically reduce his legitimate flush draws. The K, T, and 9 of diamonds are out, and of course we have the J of diamonds. That leaves AdQd and a bunch of crappy suited aces / suited connectors which are folding preflop a lot of the time so his range is going to be heavily skewed towards bluffs. Factor in that a lot of our range is going to be feeling very gross on this board and checking the turn and river here was by far the best play. wp
- 4th hand with KJs is a definite river bet for most of the reasons you outlined. I like a smallish block bet of about $60, personally. It gets value from the hands we're looking to extract from and also shows enough weakness that he might attempt to shove over the top and represent Jx, which he can do so very credibly, far more so than we can. I think this is a line you can take with a lot your range in this spot given his likely showdown bound range.
- 77 hand 24 minutes in: Flop bet size is unorthodox and interesting. It's probably very good but definitely puts you in some awkward spots on later streets. I would have bet the turn, though, even if it was only for $30-40.
- AQ hand 30 minutes in: In this situation I'm of the belief that we should be more likely to check than bet given the backdoor nut flush draw. For starters, when we bet the flop and turn and the backdoor flush gets there on the river it's not even that great of a runout for us given that we already very likely had the best hand and may have let weaker queens off the hook. When we check we can call basically all runouts profitably and on the occasion that the flush gets there it's very disguised to him. While on the subject, I do like check calling with ace high backdoor flush draws a lot too, much better than c-betting them. If I have additional equity in terms of straight draws I'm probably more inclined to be betting.
- I really prefer just shipping the flop on the first hand with JJ when
checkraised. He shuts down with most of his bluffs unless he improves or
a scare card hits, the latter of which puts us in a guessing game.
Overall I just think we're making a mistake by allowing him to realize
his equity, even if just for one street. I'd be all for slowplaying my
nutted hands where him improving would be great for us.
I think you could be right given how vulnerable my hand is. I think it's also not out of the realm of possibilities that villain is occasionally value raising a weaker pair.
- 77 hand 24 minutes in: Flop bet size is unorthodox and interesting.
It's probably very good but definitely puts you in some awkward spots on
later streets. I would have bet the turn, though, even if it was only
for $30-40.
Ya, that seems to be the consensus and I can't say that I disagree. There's just not too much of a downside to betting small.
- AQ hand 30 minutes in: In this situation I'm of the belief that we
should be more likely to check than bet given the backdoor nut flush
draw. For starters, when we bet the flop and turn and the backdoor flush
gets there on the river it's not even that great of a runout for us
given that we already very likely had the best hand and may have let
weaker queens off the hook.
In this situation, I think villain is often going to have to call a bet/bet themselves for value or turn their hand into a bluff. People generally aren't crazy about showing down 1 pair on a 4 flush board when they've face multiple streets of betting. That being said, I think you make good points and I'm still not sure which side of this argument I'm on. I'm glad you liked the video though :)
I think the reason people don't XR the 732r is that you have 9 combos of sets, 6-10 combos of suited 7x, maybe 2-3 combos of suited 2x/3x, and 24 combos of overpairs, and 18 combos of underpairs, and a shitton of overcards. If you bet when checked to with your entire value range, then that's a ratio of 9:54 combos of nuts:not nuts, say you fold half your weaker hands to the XR, now that's 9:27, then he shoves turn and you call say 40% on the K (cause it's such a sweet card for OOP), and now you're calling 9:8 combos or w/e and your 8 air combos are going to have pair+hearts a lot. The point being, villain probably isn't maximizing with his overpairs to this line, and villain's play is actually better as a semibluff with 7x, or with AQ+bdfd or something. I think XR is just not so hot on this board in general though.
I agree with your turn read, think it's spot on. I like folding to the shove, and usually calling the smaller bet unless we have a read that he just has KKK everytime.On the 2nd hand, (65o 4way on Q6589) I think he's basically repping JTcc the most. I think you're forgetting that he can have some flopped set combos here because he wants to keep the rec in, so add some of those. His bluffing range is AJcc, AKcc (some), ATcc, KJcc, KTcc, so that's 5 combos of bluffs and 7 combos of value. I think A9cc is a slightly bad call but w/e. I think when you double block the set combos it's a snap call.
This doesn't make sense to me. We need to defend a minimum of 50% of our flop betting range. And it seems to me that you'll be folding too much here.
VALUE : BLUFF RATIO
sets = 9 : 30 = 45
overpair = 24 : 66 = 90
7x = 10 : 10 = 20
2x3x, underpairs = 20 : 7 = 27
TOTAL HANDS BET = 182
MUST DEFEND = 91
DEFENDING HANDS:
sets (9), overpair(24) 7x(10) 2s3x(3) AQ(16) = 62 made type hands
AJ-A8, A5-A4bdfd(18), 54s(4),65s(4), 98,86bdfd,(6) = 32 drawing type hands
This is much wider than the calling range of made hands which you were suggesting around 36.
I think check-raising could make sense with sets and some over pairs and sets. With a hand like TT, you're going to only be behind a few combos, get lots of worse hands to call, and get the villain to fold out some hands with decent equity against you. And the Villain won't have an incentive to 3-bet, since he has position and his JJ type hand will be 3-betting into sets too much.
And in a general sense, the BU can bet this flop very wide because it's such a good flop for the in position player. So by having a check-raising range, we dis-incentivize him from betting super wide.
And we could probably protect our checking range by including hands like AA which aren't afraid of giving free cards and keep the Villain from going too crazy on future streets.
I hear ya. I wasn't necessarily arguing exactly how to play the flop either. In order for the Villain to not be able to check-raise any two cards (which would obviously be incorrect) the Hero will call with a range of hands where sets make up 20% of hands on the turn (instead of the 50% that you suggested). This might still be "a lot" like you say.
But my question is if this is a situation where we won't have a very polarized check-raising range. Most people have very polarized check-raising range which doesn't give the in position player much reason to have a 3-bet range. But we might want to have a check-raise range which isn't comprised of a bunch of nuts if we can get Villain to call lots of worse hands and fold hands with decent equity. Then we might check-call this type of hand (like TT) on the turn. Not saying that this is definitely the case here, but I was wondering if you think that it might be correct, the pieces seem to be in place for this.
Great video James, I love the 65 river call on the second hand you reviewed. I probably make the call too, but would have a much tougher time determining the if the villain has a 7. Awesome job breaking down the different 7x combos and eliminating them. I learned from you there...thanks a lot.
Agree savant111 but most of the time i call he shows Ac 7c and im toast...nice read tho.
First hand: What do you think about villains line on this hand? He check/raised OTF and used a really small sizing OTT, those moves doesn't make much sense to me. Why would he check/raise for value there because he could just bet/bet/shove with his valuehands? He is not going to get more value by check/raising since he gets stacks in anyway by bet/bet/shoving. And villains sizing OTT, does that make any sense to you? Could we allready assume, based on these things, that villain is not that good of a player and he most likely doesn't understand this game on a very deep level?
Second hand: Let's say that you are that 60 VPIP player on the CO. Would you have a (bluff)raising range OTF? Would 9h7h be a good candidate to bluffraise with?
Third hand: Imagine that you have T8s on the flop. How would you play it?
Fifth hand: If you were villain, how would you balance your checking range on the flop? If you only check/call with AK/AQ (which a lot of people probably do) then it's just very easy for villain to triple barrel every time unless the ace hits. And calling down with AK-high doesn't seem very good to me. What good hands would you check in this spot if you were villain? And on the river what hands do you expect villain to show up that we beat except AK/AJ that villain decided to turn into a bluff?
Sixth hand: Why would villain play AK/KJ like that on the turn? I don't see much of a reason to check with those hands.
Seventh hand: QcJc would be a really good hand to bluff with OTR, wouldn't it? We block QQ and JJ. Or do you think that we could make villain fold those hands on the river? (if yes then QcJc would not be a good hand to bluff with)
Really good video, thank you!
Second hand: Yes I'd probably have a bluff raising range as the CO but you've got to be careful not to get carried away here if it goes bet-call before it gets to you because both players should have something reasonable given positions and the board texture. I think the hand you mentioned is a fine hand to use as a semi bluff.
Third hand: I think we should probably check call the flop with 108s if we get there with that but I'm thinking that we'll be too wide if we're 3 betting hands like that 100% of the time from the SB vs the button.
Fifth hand: I think we can balance our flop range by adding some strong overpairs as well as some flush draws so that we should have some hands to bluff with if turn goes check check. On the river, I'm hoping to see mostly ace highs but occasionally just a stubborn high card hand.
Sixth Hand: Sometimes people feel like they can't get much value on that card given that a lot of my range should look like mid pairs. Villain could also just be tricky or overly nitty.
Seventh hand: QcJc should be a good hand to bluff with on the river if we assume that villain calls with QQ and JJ or that villain never slowplays AK or Aces preflop.
Glad you liked the video.
a question from the AQ hand.u river jam seems a value bet right?what hands can u get value from?
@21min. I don't understand why you think he could transform a hand into a bluff. When we x/r turn we are polarized right ? So If he hand Ahigh, pair,DP or something, it's an easy check back. I can't see a hand which will bet this river. And of course, I agree with you that the best play it's to bet small the river :-)
Nice video, your thiking process on 65o is really great.
OK thx :-)
(first hand) I have seem some recreational players do this with AK OTF and I can understand why (doesn't agree, obviously). They see x/c as weak since not that often they will hit their 6 outs and don't want to x/f since AK is beautiful, so usually they x/r to get it in. His sizing OTT make it more clear.
The (22:55) Qs is a bad card to bluff IMO, since the majority of overcards that he will have (in a rational range) are weak offsuit one spade hands (plays better as a x/c than bet/fold on my view), like QsJx, AxQs, KxQs (he may bet some AsJx, KsQx) since he has almost no flush draws. So when the Qs hits, he doesn't have it and it cuts a bunch of the value range that he is representing by betting OTR.
On the last hand, villain uses your left stack size for the bet. From what I have seen this is a signal for a lot of strength in some players that are not that bad but also not that good. I see his stats as a reg, but don't know a bunch of his play. Have you noticed that ?
Good video!
Wonderful video, love the analysis of all streets. I think making correct Turn/River decisions are so important for being successful in 6-max. Specifically when it comes to evaluating the range of the villain. This video helped me get better on those streets so I'm getting max value by allowing them to bluff more than I used to. Keep em coming!!
Hey James, really enjoyed the video...
On the third hand, min 14:28 you say it's a mandatory c bet because the flop hits villain's range so hard, for the same reason I have a hard time finding hands to bluff with in this spot. How often do you think we should bluff here and with what types of hands?
Thx!
Hi James,
A great video as always. I have a quick question. I`m still a micro player and I keep watching your videos and carefully reading trough the comments. Regarding the fact that your videos are for NL100+ do you think they could influence my game in a negative way at the micro stakes?
To be honest I don't think so, I think it helps me with my hand reading a ton and prepares me for stronger opponents in the future. Of course I`m not expecting micro players to triple barrel with AQ on K high flop in 3bet pot (unless I have serious reads).
Bottom line, putting you in a tough spot :)) (to say if needed, don't watch my videos! ), do you think I should keep following NL100+ play or keep them for a later stage, for example when I reach NL50. Could these videos really hurt my play ?(I heard that in the past)
I`m counting on your honesty (:)). Thanks!
P.S. I`m doing fairly well in the micros, just advancing slowly because of conservative BRM.
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