$1,000 SCOOP Hand History Review (part 1)

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$1,000 SCOOP Hand History Review (part 1)

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POSTED Jun 22, 2017

Apoth kicks off a new series beginning with the 1K 6max SCOOP. With blinds at 20/40 and a fresh 10k stack, Apoth focuses on the early stages and how to build a stack.

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altruizine 7 years, 7 months ago

At the 21min. mark you said you should have over bet with As9d on the turn (3dAcTh8h board), could you explain why an over bet is best.
Thanks

Apoth 7 years, 7 months ago

The board is good for my range but not so good we're just finding auto bets or anything. So the range we put money in with is quite strong and can afford to put a lot of money in.

cneuy3 7 years, 7 months ago

Good video. You mention you sometimes play up to 20 tables. How are you able to play so many tables at such stakes at such a high level? I'm sure practice makes perfect but could you elaborate on any software/setup tips you might have that help you in this process? Are you playing tiled or in some sort of stack and tiled setup for the most part?

Apoth 7 years, 7 months ago

I play tiled. The most obvious thing you need is two good monitors to tile the tables on. Im not sure what monitors I have off the top of my head but it's like a 27 inch dell and a 28 inch something or other. Both are fine but not the greatest of all time or anything. Any largeish monitors should do.

I just use table ninja for hotkeys on pokerstars and nothing else. I just click on the non-stars sites and no HUD to keep things clutter free

Douggyfr3sh 7 years, 6 months ago

To Clarify- you use a HUD on stars but no HUD on other sites? Or no HUD across all sites when playing many tables? Would you be willing to comment a bit further on why you think using no HUD is a good decision when mass tabling? Personally, I go back and forth between using a HUD playing mostly ignition MTTs (anonymous site) and some volume on ACR. I feel that there is some value in using very simple HUD even on anonymous sites as PF stats don't take long to converge and it helps to easily identify fun player types rather than trying to memorize each player type across all tables. When you are not using a HUD, do you ever find yourself in spots where you wish you had some basic stats to make a decision easier? A basic example would be something like deciding what our sb vs bb strategy should be vs. an unknown BB. If you've played maybe 30-50 hands vs. bb some simple stats could be quite useful in deciding overall strat there. Any thoughts?

pokerman1234 7 years, 6 months ago

im pretty sure i have watched one of your videos and u have a hud up during the entire video, not really important though, was just pointing it out.

i am curious however why you dont use a hud? i get where you're coming from about the clutter-free aspect of not using a hud, however pokertracker4 has the option to make your hud very faint untill you scroll over the individuals stat, which essentially eliminates the clutter aspect of the huds. I have noticed in your videos when reviewing a HH you use HEM2, which does not have this function for the hud, so yeah.

other then the clutter part, i would love some input on any other influences that go into your thought process when you choose to not use a hud. I just find it mysterious when people ritually do not use a hud, i just cant see much downside to having one up, unless the person misuses it (which you obviously would not be doing given your experience).

Apoth 7 years, 6 months ago

I have a HUD open if I have cash tables open on the side (which are off-screen).If I'm just playing mtts I don't bother having it open.

S.M.S. 7 years, 7 months ago

Nice video Apo.

21-00 K9 on J9579
Something is wrong with the logic there.
I think that runout is extremely favourable for your(BB) range when it checked down up to river by aggro guys. You also have an infinite amount of bluffs in BB position.
So whether we should have several sizings or not, whether we should overbet or not is debatable but to say your best strategy is to always bet 1 moderate size seems flawed.

Apoth 7 years, 7 months ago

I don't necessarily think my best strat here has to be to pick only one medium sized bet size but I also don't see why the opposite has to be true (that I need >1 bet size).

Can you explain how given your premises (which I mostly agree with), the conclusion that 1 moderate bet size is correct is necessarily flawed?

S.M.S. 7 years, 7 months ago

nah Im saying its debatable.
1 moderate bet sizing doesn`t allow you to realise all the potential of your advantage in this spot -- limits your betting freq and make life easier for them while this spot seems have a huge potential.
People are less incentivized to slowplay 3way and UTG (more often than not) will have more better catchers but will be somewhat handcuffed being sandwiched 3way.

but yeah to be fair my first comment was a bit out of line and seems suits better for poker forums rather than comments section of poker videos which rarely generate big discussions. thanks.

Apoth 7 years, 6 months ago

I think it's possible that 2 bet sizes on river is better but don't know off the top of my head. You'd have to pio the spot and then fudge some stuff given it's multiway etc.

I'm not sure one can ever be certain (though more sizes tends to add more ev). The question is really "Am I gaining enough to justify the increased complexity of the strat". Honestly I'm not sure.

Also, given the specific question you asked I'd assume you're a fairly advanced player. Not everyone watching these vids/reading these comments is advanced. I think the important things people should take away is this:

1) Multiple bet sizes probably adds some EV. It may not be enough to justify the increase in our complexity of the strat.
2) If we want only one size it should probably be middling. A single small size doesn't capture enough EV with our good hands (and doesn't really let us bet too many extra hands for value because it's not like if we pick a small enough sizing we can start squeaking in bets with 22 or w/e- we probably pretty inelastically need tp or trips given the positions). We also shouldn't pick a massive sizing because it seriously limits our ability to value bet weak tp or whatever few other hands wanted to squeak in there. So if we want only one sizing it should be fairly middling imo.

S.M.S. 7 years, 6 months ago

I think it's possible that 2 bet sizes on river is better but don't know off the top of my head. You'd have to pio the spot and then fudge some stuff given it's multiway etc.

yeah fudge is the word :)

cardroom 7 years, 7 months ago

On 15 minutes with T2s on the river, u play bet fold for a jam of the villain ?

Apoth 7 years, 7 months ago

Yea, value range to this line is essentially flushes -maybe a few other hands but not many (and not all flushes as some make it into the x/c line as I spoke about). I can certainly get away with folding some of them on this river. I also don't think enough villains find the massive suicide jam early on in an mtt to make me want to exploit and call any flush or w/e

BattleOfPower 7 years, 6 months ago

at 29:30 You used 1/3 flop size bet, are you using 1 bet size strat here on this A high board and is it a clear bet/fold with KK no clubs ?

Apoth 7 years, 6 months ago

If you want to know the entire strategy profile of a range on a board I'd recommend just running the spot in Pio. It should give you a clear idea whether or not we want to use one sizing as well as what KK no clubs does specifically.

CherryWaves 7 years, 6 months ago

26:30 - AKs - is this not a board where it is better to bet more than 1/3 and closer to 1/2 pot. It also is nice to be able to have a SPR of 1 for turn jam.

Apoth 7 years, 6 months ago

I'd recommend running this in Pio. I'm not sure what sizing is best, what I will say however is that just because betting a nice amount (like 1/2) sets up another nice amount (like Pot) doesn't mean that's what the solver will want to do (even though humans are more likely to do it).

Igor Campanha 7 years, 6 months ago

Great video Chris, 40:39 Do you think it's good having a range of overbet in this turn? We have a huge advantage when he checks this flop and we also have a good blocker with 8x
Thx

Douggyfr3sh 7 years, 6 months ago

@ 11:40 where Toilet cold 4b's and you just move on to the next hand- IMO it would be valuable for the viewers if you play that HH out so we can see what sort of game flow/villain info you may have had in-game. If the cold 4b pot was one that you would have watched play out in-game for information purposes I think it would be great for us to be able to see it as well.

Great content as always, thanks!

Marcus Gray 7 years, 4 months ago

Hi Chris.
@28:30, What are you doing on most brick rivers? I assume having the missed FD is terrible for the 3rd bullet because we block so many of his missed FDs. But I'm also not sure what else we bet 3 times with on this board as a bluff. What are your 3 barrel and 2 barrel/give-up ranges by this river?

Marcus

DiogoDias139 7 years, 3 months ago

Hello!

At the hand 25:00 AKs if you didn't get the K or the flush on the river, would you have shoved as well? Having the clubs might be bad to do so but i would like to understand how you construct your range on the river.

Thanks

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