Hi Juan, good to see another video from you, looking forward to it since I've learned a lot from the last few you've made.
While you're here, I wanted to mention there's a few questions from the last video that were only posted recently, it'd be great if you got a chance to have a look at them.
great vid.
at 1min with A3dd on q8224, he bets turn with T8s for a large size. I think this is a clear check back and an interesting cbet flop size and turn size. He makes it so big on turn with his hand, which i dont think is good considering it mostly makes him up against Qx+. In a 3way pot, one of you will have Qx a lot too.
Also, your call seems marginal for this sizing. It has some SD value but versus UTG, it seems close to me.
On the last hand with A5s, aren't you going to have AQ that wants to Vbet river too? Seems like on turn, AQ wants to check more then KK/AA since AQ blocks his Qx and makes it more likely the 8 turn helped him with JTs. I guess AQ wants to bet this river size as well, but just pointing out that this hand might want to vbet as well.
I think betting the flop with T8ss is ok, kind of a protection bet in a 3way pot. But i could agree that he will improve the ev of his cbet by cbetting smaller than 66%. The play that is not standard on his side its bet the turn, which is a more clear check back, and the bet beeing so big it just decrease even more the ev of betting turn. About the turn peel i´d say that you are right on beeing a close call. But if he has every flush draw on the turn that a 17-20% UTG range could contain, my hand has close to 35% eq, which is hard to fold. And beeing a weak and unknown player i will tend to compare the risk of calling with the risk of folding. So i think that if he is cbetting the flop with a low frecquencie i could end myself making a mistake of a couple of blinds, but if he was cbetting like any flushdraw, anystr8draw and any backdoor flush draw hand on the flop, i potentially could be making a worse mistake by folding.
And about the last hand you are right that i could have some AQ to valuebet the river too, but with a lower frecquencie since its a hand that i could coldcall preflop a lot. Even that i think that you should check sometime with hands like AA/KK, not only on the turn, even the flop too, since the MP call3bet range hasn´t got to muck Qx that wants to call 3 streets for 100bb+, and even less when you hold hands like AA/KK that are blocking top pairs combos.
I would agree with you that the Ts turn its a good card for us, in fact the equity of our range improves from a 49% to a 55% in that turn. That could encourage us to develop some kind of leading strategy on the turn which includes hands like KQ/AK/AQ and some value hands like JJ/TT/JT/Q9s. But opponent range keeps beeing strong, and he is not capped enough for us start leading our entire range. He still has some hands like 88/TT/JJ and he could even have something like Q9s with a smaller frecquencie. Thats why i think that leading 100% its too much on this spot. Generally will be very though to find spots where we get a coldcall in position and we could start leading full range on the turn after xC the flop, because on most of spots check is our main line and when we xC we have a lot of marginal hands relative to the IP range where he is just calling with a 5-8% of hands.
AQ9 its a board where i expect a lot of villains cbet almost his entire air hands on flop, and when they check back the flop, his range has a lot of medium showdown hands like A2/Qx/9x/PocketPairs. Thats why i like to add some deception to my betting range adding some hands like 2nd pair. But the hands that i should do that are more like KQ/QJ than Q8. So i agree that my turn lead is a little bit loose, at least for a 60% bet size, i would guess that its more reasonable lead for something like 33%. But even that check should be your -almost always- line with this hand..
~20:46 I think you should consider a river raise with the 75 if calling is not +ev. You would play every K7, K6, K8 combo this way and would definitely raise river vs this size.
Raising the river with this hand its an ok option. But you should do it with a very low frecquencie or you would tend to overbluff this spot. Remember that hands like K8/K7/K6 sometimes bet the flop, and sometimes bet the turn, so you dont have any single combo of those ones. But as you said, you perfectly could have those hands and you would raise, so you have to raise some combo bluffs. But remember that 7x its kind of high enough into your range to just have to call like almost always, and raise its an option but so much less frecquent compared to calling.
Ciao Juan) Question is about last hand A5s. Don't u think that is a perfect spot to XR bluff river for him? You are very capped and gonna be in an ugly spot w KK there for example if he check-shoved there. So, when u bluffing there its even more profitable to check raise bluff there with a lot of weak hands.
So, what are your thoughts about that spot. Do u ever bet call there with KK for ex?
Thanks.
Juan - wanted to echo this question. I did a quick analysis in Pio as a rough check. Perhaps it's too tight, but I used a polarized mixed 5.3% 3B range for BTN and a ~5% UTG CC range (detailed ranges at end of post). On this runout, it has Hero betting a little less than 24% but never A5s - instead Hero value bets overpairs or better, balanced primarily by AK. One factor - which gets at holabcn's notion that Hero's range is capped - is that Pio has Hero bet the turn with the straight (JTs), sets, two pair (Q9s, 98s), and even most of his 87s. So it seems like Hero just doesn't have a ton of value combos that check turn and bet river, and thus doesn't need THAT many bluffs and AK is largely sufficient. As a result, in the GTO strategy Villain c/r 18% of the time, and in practice especially if he thought Hero was bluffing too frequently, he could bluff-raise even more. What do you think Juan?
For BTN it was 100% weight on QQ+/AK, and then 25-50% weights on 77/88/JJ, A2-A5s, AT-AQs, KT-KQs, Q9-QJs, J9-JTs, T8-T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, and AQo
For UTG it was 100% weight on TT-JJ, 50% on AK, 25% on QQ+, and 10-75% on A2-A5s, AT-AQs, suited connectors from 76s to KQs, AJ-AQo, and KQo
hey juan, great vid ! @39' : i think i check call this flop absolutely always with 99 but i find that your arguments for betting small are very valuable even if both options are fine. If we decide to bet here don't we weaken our checking range too much ? We probably have TT/JJ/QQ in our checking range but not a lot of others hands no ? I don't 3bet weak A x offsuit/K x offsuit, maybe some weak K x suited, but it's not a lot of combos ? Thx
Why is c/r turn in first hand on turn so bad, yes he has qqq22 and we can't , but we can have more a2 then him and we can have 88, so please explain why c/r turn shipping river is so bad, would he ever fold out like aq vs this line?
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Hi Juan, good to see another video from you, looking forward to it since I've learned a lot from the last few you've made.
While you're here, I wanted to mention there's a few questions from the last video that were only posted recently, it'd be great if you got a chance to have a look at them.
http://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/510-6-max-nlhe-session-review-part-1-5/
Cheers,
Robin
great vid.
at 1min with A3dd on q8224, he bets turn with T8s for a large size. I think this is a clear check back and an interesting cbet flop size and turn size. He makes it so big on turn with his hand, which i dont think is good considering it mostly makes him up against Qx+. In a 3way pot, one of you will have Qx a lot too.
Also, your call seems marginal for this sizing. It has some SD value but versus UTG, it seems close to me.
On the last hand with A5s, aren't you going to have AQ that wants to Vbet river too? Seems like on turn, AQ wants to check more then KK/AA since AQ blocks his Qx and makes it more likely the 8 turn helped him with JTs. I guess AQ wants to bet this river size as well, but just pointing out that this hand might want to vbet as well.
Hey Fbb,
I think betting the flop with T8ss is ok, kind of a protection bet in a 3way pot. But i could agree that he will improve the ev of his cbet by cbetting smaller than 66%. The play that is not standard on his side its bet the turn, which is a more clear check back, and the bet beeing so big it just decrease even more the ev of betting turn. About the turn peel i´d say that you are right on beeing a close call. But if he has every flush draw on the turn that a 17-20% UTG range could contain, my hand has close to 35% eq, which is hard to fold. And beeing a weak and unknown player i will tend to compare the risk of calling with the risk of folding. So i think that if he is cbetting the flop with a low frecquencie i could end myself making a mistake of a couple of blinds, but if he was cbetting like any flushdraw, anystr8draw and any backdoor flush draw hand on the flop, i potentially could be making a worse mistake by folding.
And about the last hand you are right that i could have some AQ to valuebet the river too, but with a lower frecquencie since its a hand that i could coldcall preflop a lot. Even that i think that you should check sometime with hands like AA/KK, not only on the turn, even the flop too, since the MP call3bet range hasn´t got to muck Qx that wants to call 3 streets for 100bb+, and even less when you hold hands like AA/KK that are blocking top pairs combos.
@ 5:00 with 99, what do you think about leading ~full range for ~1/3 pot OTR?
Hey imawhale26,
I would agree with you that the Ts turn its a good card for us, in fact the equity of our range improves from a 49% to a 55% in that turn. That could encourage us to develop some kind of leading strategy on the turn which includes hands like KQ/AK/AQ and some value hands like JJ/TT/JT/Q9s. But opponent range keeps beeing strong, and he is not capped enough for us start leading our entire range. He still has some hands like 88/TT/JJ and he could even have something like Q9s with a smaller frecquencie. Thats why i think that leading 100% its too much on this spot. Generally will be very though to find spots where we get a coldcall in position and we could start leading full range on the turn after xC the flop, because on most of spots check is our main line and when we xC we have a lot of marginal hands relative to the IP range where he is just calling with a 5-8% of hands.
hi great vid !
29.50 table 2 you bet turn with Q8, why do you prefer betting here than x/c and what's the plan in different rivers?
Hey sirsnake,
AQ9 its a board where i expect a lot of villains cbet almost his entire air hands on flop, and when they check back the flop, his range has a lot of medium showdown hands like A2/Qx/9x/PocketPairs. Thats why i like to add some deception to my betting range adding some hands like 2nd pair. But the hands that i should do that are more like KQ/QJ than Q8. So i agree that my turn lead is a little bit loose, at least for a 60% bet size, i would guess that its more reasonable lead for something like 33%. But even that check should be your -almost always- line with this hand..
~20:46 I think you should consider a river raise with the 75 if calling is not +ev. You would play every K7, K6, K8 combo this way and would definitely raise river vs this size.
Hey prisonmike,
Raising the river with this hand its an ok option. But you should do it with a very low frecquencie or you would tend to overbluff this spot. Remember that hands like K8/K7/K6 sometimes bet the flop, and sometimes bet the turn, so you dont have any single combo of those ones. But as you said, you perfectly could have those hands and you would raise, so you have to raise some combo bluffs. But remember that 7x its kind of high enough into your range to just have to call like almost always, and raise its an option but so much less frecquent compared to calling.
Ciao Juan) Question is about last hand A5s. Don't u think that is a perfect spot to XR bluff river for him? You are very capped and gonna be in an ugly spot w KK there for example if he check-shoved there. So, when u bluffing there its even more profitable to check raise bluff there with a lot of weak hands.
So, what are your thoughts about that spot. Do u ever bet call there with KK for ex?
Thanks.
Juan - wanted to echo this question. I did a quick analysis in Pio as a rough check. Perhaps it's too tight, but I used a polarized mixed 5.3% 3B range for BTN and a ~5% UTG CC range (detailed ranges at end of post). On this runout, it has Hero betting a little less than 24% but never A5s - instead Hero value bets overpairs or better, balanced primarily by AK. One factor - which gets at holabcn's notion that Hero's range is capped - is that Pio has Hero bet the turn with the straight (JTs), sets, two pair (Q9s, 98s), and even most of his 87s. So it seems like Hero just doesn't have a ton of value combos that check turn and bet river, and thus doesn't need THAT many bluffs and AK is largely sufficient. As a result, in the GTO strategy Villain c/r 18% of the time, and in practice especially if he thought Hero was bluffing too frequently, he could bluff-raise even more. What do you think Juan?
For BTN it was 100% weight on QQ+/AK, and then 25-50% weights on 77/88/JJ, A2-A5s, AT-AQs, KT-KQs, Q9-QJs, J9-JTs, T8-T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, and AQo
For UTG it was 100% weight on TT-JJ, 50% on AK, 25% on QQ+, and 10-75% on A2-A5s, AT-AQs, suited connectors from 76s to KQs, AJ-AQo, and KQo
hey juan, great vid ! @39' : i think i check call this flop absolutely always with 99 but i find that your arguments for betting small are very valuable even if both options are fine. If we decide to bet here don't we weaken our checking range too much ? We probably have TT/JJ/QQ in our checking range but not a lot of others hands no ? I don't 3bet weak A x offsuit/K x offsuit, maybe some weak K x suited, but it's not a lot of combos ? Thx
Why is c/r turn in first hand on turn so bad, yes he has qqq22 and we can't , but we can have more a2 then him and we can have 88, so please explain why c/r turn shipping river is so bad, would he ever fold out like aq vs this line?
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