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$5/$10 Heads Up Session Review (part 2)

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POSTED Jul 18, 2015

Teunuss recaps part 1 and the reads he's developed so far in the match and gets back into the match.

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shakesbear 9 years, 8 months ago

Cliff:
- Piosolver shows us interesting result. ie it wants us to c/c QJ but want to bet J8/J9
- When we sizing our bets for a hand, we should take other hands we want to bet with that size into consideration. @17:15
- Full range on paired board with 1/3 pot
- Hands with weaker absolute value could be better bluff catchers than stronger hand because of blocker effects. @24:50

Cool video. Thank you very much !!!

prisonmike 9 years, 8 months ago

Think K5ss has to be a turn call ~29:00. We have a small amount of showdown against his bluffing range, overcard to the queen, and on a low spade i'd assume his KQ+ is still going to bet, so decent implied odds too.

teunuss 9 years, 7 months ago

I ran this through piosolver since I was interested in that it would suggest, since I was really unsure about this spot.
It shows K5ss as 50% fold ott and 33% call, and 17% c/r otf, the ev of calling is slightly worse than folding, so against this opponent I think the ev of calling will be even worse so I am happy with my play here.

Everest 9 years, 8 months ago

i really loved your approach of the game (gtowise)

but i think against such a weak opponent you should think about making more exploitative plays (maybe im wrong) : fold KToffsuit vs 3b preflop (close against him and i wouldnt want high variance spots when i see how much he drops in SRP) and on flop it feels a very easy fold, he has been so weak..

another exploitative hand is your K6o on KTJ x 6 something like that, on river your are on top of your range, but your opponent doesnt value thin overall (and my guess is he doesnt value worse than K6) and under bluff so much river, there again, an exploitative fold is possible as weird as it seems,
the only thing which would still lead me to call river is that we still have little bit of EV (im sure at this moment of the match its -EV call) but if i fold here i over fold way too much, and at some point, the opponent might see what happens and starts adjusting towards more aggressive game which i wouldnt like)

anyway, i really like how you construct your ranges, i feel playing same style but worse, so i have a lot to learn from you,
feels bad that you run super hot, because i would have liked some of your decisions on other turns or rivers to see how you would play;

thanks again ++

teunuss 9 years, 7 months ago

Yes he has been very passive indeed, which is also an argument that KTo is a pretty easy call, the flop seems close, since his 2barrel has been low and combined with the small flop sizing I thought calling would be slightly better than folding.

The k6 hand I just can't see myself folding, the chance of him valuebetting worse is indeed small but with his half pot betsizing that chance might slightly increase and I still have one of my best bluffcatchers, and I mean, he at least has to have a couple of bluffs right ;)

thanks a lot!

Valuetownjl 9 years, 8 months ago

Really enjoy your videos so far Teunuss, has definitely improved my game so thank you for that. What are your thoughts on bluffing (c/r) the 8s5h hand at 29mins on the river? We don't block diamonds and we get to the river with a lot of 8xss combos that would check raise?
Thanks

teunuss 9 years, 7 months ago

Thanks!

Js8x/Ts8x are the two bluffs that I would certainly use in this spot, and probably add the 8sJx/8sTx, I think also blocking the straight here is quite valueable so those would be the bluffs I will use.

Azartus 9 years, 8 months ago

Hey Teunuss, great video as always mate! quick question, min 23:46 the TT hand in the right table, i know you said that this player is better to value bet because he is passive, but i think he have way to many bluff in this spot and also the 6 in the river is a card that smash his perceive range and by betting we take away his opportunity to bluff at it. I would say that even the most passive player would bluff that card..He does snap call tho, so i would say that suggest SD value, so in that case i like betting better than checking. Also what do you think about his bet sizes in general? i see that you guys use different sizes in similar textures, for example T82 flops he tends to C-bet half pot and you usually C-bet a bit larger (in btwn 60% to 72% pot usually base on what i saw so far).. i think is because you approach flops base on your range been polarize or not, and he does his sizing base on the board textures...Is my assumption correct would you say? . Thanks in advance mate, great stuff as usual!! this HU videos are amazing, like just the purest form of the game!! hopefully we can see more of this and not just be result oriented for the "likes" we get ;) . Cheers!!

teunuss 9 years, 7 months ago

Hey thanks, I personally love HU videos as well, just the most enjoyable form of poker to watch :)

about the TT hand, I think I pretty much explained it in the video, not sure what else to say about it, but I think that my opponent will have more 9x than usual and will have a lot of Ah, and will be less likely to bluff, so I preferred betting over checking.

About the cbetsizings, I think it's clear that we use different strategies on those dry boards, my opponent bets a smaller sizing for a much larger frequency, and I tend to check far more often and bet more polare.
So I do think he is adjusting his frequency to his betsizing and not just the board texture, it looked like he chose a strategy of betting small on dry boards with large portions of his range.

Azartus 9 years, 7 months ago

In that case, doesn't that strategy seem more optimal?(small sizing) since we are playing HU and we should be attacking a lot of boards? that`s actually the strategy i use currently exactly for the reason you described on top, i assume since you played millions of hands you already try both approaches.. what make you lean towards the one you are currently using?(more polar, lower frequencies) does it have some sort of advantage or just particular preference?

Azartus 9 years, 8 months ago

Me again . min 27:36 the K5 suit hand in the left table, you mentioned that you would like to have a check raising range in that board, but isnt this a board texture that is not gonna be in our best interest to check raise on since :
- We are on a range vs range disadvantage (we do not have the QQ, JJ combos and we probably 3bet some QJ suit some % of the time
- We cant really have so many value combos like in the turn for example where we could have way more value combos(of course in different run outs no this one in particular). It seems to me that this board is not coordinated enough to develop a check raising range....
In conclusion, will be very interesting to try to understand what are the things you take in to consideration before check raising certain bard texture
Thanks in advance again and sorry for torturing with so many questions haha is just you know... big fun of your game man, Namaste

teunuss 9 years, 7 months ago

He did minraise preflop so I will have all of the Q4o combo's, QJo, J4s, 44.
And we have a ton of really strong draws as well. So that seems like a decent enough valuerange to set up a check raising range.

FIVEbetbLUFF 9 years, 8 months ago

great video.
at 15:26, you say you like bluffing T3 cuz it doesn't have a club on 49873. i think having a club is not thatttt relevant given he can't c/c OOP with that many FD combos. Like he needs A/K hi + FD or pair + FD to call, and some semi bluff raise the flop given a lot will have a card that cud turn a straight draw on 984cc and cud barrel those as well. (lots of j5cc q7cc 73cc T3cc J6cc, that all have at least 1 card that can turn SD and continue betting). He will have a lot of 76 T7 J7 T9 T8 86 96 95 T4 64 85 J8 J9 tho, and all of those are off suit, so thats a lot of combos of potential folding hands. He doesn't have 65 T6 JT that often relative to these other hands (given those may c/r turn and the other hands never do that). These T7 J7 T4 86 T9 hands are all pure bluff catchers versus ur value range and many will be folding. I think having T3 actually blocks more of one'e folding range then if u had a single random club in ur hand (that may block 2-4 folding combos).
This turns blocker/reverse blocker game as he may want to hero holding T8 T7 T9 type hands given it blocks some of our value range (JT T6 and larger 2pr hands) so it depends on how he constructs his calling range (does he fold Q9 and call T9/T8? there are those complications potentially). Thoughts? we need to bluff some Tx obv and like not having club but idk how great it really is.

teunuss 9 years, 7 months ago

Villain should be playing fairly face up on the river, and will have 0.x% c/r on the river and will usually bluffcatch/call with a clear range of 2p+, some strong toppairs and a couple of bluffcatchers like T8/9T/96hh/95hh, so my bluffing range is going to be my weakest Tx/Jx hands, and me bluffing here with T3 means that I will be overbluffing this spot, which might actually be the best gameplan against this specific villain in spots like these, and it's also a reason why I made a bet ingame.

The gto solver showed that T3ss has a much higher ev of checking than betting, which suprises me, (while still, kind of obvious, both being +ev) but against this opponent I think my play is justified, with the larger chance of him folding bluffcatchers and some toppairs.

Frenzuh 9 years, 8 months ago

Hey man, enjoy the videos! I have some thoughts about the QJ spot and PIO having you bet J9 J8 and check QJ KJ and I would appreciate it if you could respond to my thoughts and let me know what you think.

@ 4:00 - 9:00

I think PIO having you bet J8 J9 and checking QJ KJ makes sense, and I think we could figure it out by doing some investigating with what he is supposed to do with his range.

I would expect the villians 4x 7x calling range on the river would not have hands like 94, 84, 78, and 79 in it, especially the 8x ones, since they are bluff catchers, and block a lot of our bluffs, but a hand like Q7 would call, since it doesn't block any of our bluffs. So having 78 in his spot is a fold, but Q7 is a call, which would make it better for us to check QJ to balance our checking range opposed to a hand like J8 or J9 which would get more value by betting then QJ would since having the 8 or 9 blocks hands that would fold like 87 84 97 94.

In conclusion, I would say PIO having J8 J9 as better bets is because they get value from 4x and 7x more often then QJ or KJ would, in a spot where villian will bet better Jx hands on turn some of the time so having a weaker kicker isn't going to be a huge deal since we shouldn't be value towning ourselves vs better Jx that often.

Let me know if you agree/disagree, thanks.

teunuss 9 years, 7 months ago

Couldn't agree more with you, I think I made your point in my explanation as well, but you did a much better job explaining it in detail :)

Azartus 9 years, 7 months ago

Super Teunuss my man, might i suggest after this series is done one more video series about a very interesting topic of game theory which (i think a lot of people will agree with me) .. 3 bet and 4 bet pots GTO approximations solutions, like for example different pref flop ranges constructions facing 3bets vs 10%, or 15% etc base on the bet sizing of our opponents, (same with 4bets),.
When you construct your ranges.. do you use the equation of (1-A)% = minimum defense frequency?? cuz i been fallowing all your videos and it seems like you defend vs 3bets very wide, (example all the suit Aces, Q9suit , etc, once i hear you saying also hands like T6 suit, so i thought the only way this make seance is if you use the minimum defense frequency formula... Is this correct??),if you answer me this question my man i will mean a lot to me it because i been debating this topic a lot with a friend lately ... Thanks again man, and hopefully we see more of your videos soon, cheers .

teunuss 9 years, 7 months ago

Well I think this type of video is really hard to make for me, and it's probably something that suits guys like tyler/juan or ben much better than me, since they seem to be much better at math than me.
I defend wide based on my results in hm, which show that calling with these marginal suited hands has better results than folding (button vs blind usually) and try to vary it againt different 3bet frequencies, but this answer is def too vague, sorry for that ;).
I am also looking forward to a video on this topic by one of the above mentioned guys ;)

Azartus 9 years, 7 months ago

Super Teunuss!! it is Sunday!! where is my video man??! haha ohh tilt! i was looking forward to a new one... when is the next video my man?

Azartus 9 years, 7 months ago

thanks man i appreciate it, waiting for that Sunday! this kid is too good!! i am very surprise he only got 19 likes for this video, what a waste of subscriptions for the other members not watching this lol..

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