Anonymous Tables and Exploits: A $5/$10 6-Max NLHE Hand History Review
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Great video!!
32:57. That's a good board texture for the BB flatting range? Do you agree? In the hypothetical you gave: if the OOP person checked, person second to act bet $90 and you flatted.. Are you looking to barrel off on any club or 7 turn? Or would it depend on if you thought player was "competent" enough to fold QQs+?
Great Questions!
So betting the river on the 7 or club is likely to show a small profit, but not be enough to call any Ac. I'm unconcerned about overpairs, because of my blockers and the second player flatting preflop. I'm happy to call because I've got good outs, the k, many dirty outs 9, Q,A, and some bluffing potential.
Hey Tyler, excellent video as usual. I was struggling to understand the math process of calculating the GTO frequencies and what they imply. Could you please tell me specific resources that would be of great help? Whether it be a book or a series of videos or both. Ultimately I want to be able to apply the same processes that you use when figuring out when to overbluff/underbluff or overcall/undercall
Thanks a lot!
Thanks Jim, I appreciate the compliments.
Mathematics of Poker talks extensively about these situations.
Sklansky's Theory of Poker also has some sections on bluffing frequencies and calling frequencies.
Makes a ton of sense. Since you're blocking AA and QQ? If you do get a club turn are you just check raise, shipping it? Or are you ever leading there? Since he may not be deep enough to fold by the time the river comes it would probably be a better bluff to run on the turn?
Yes x/r would be the best play on a non paired turn since you have the best blocker for a bluff (Ac). Forget about stack depth, it's more that you have very very little (probably less than 15%) showdown value when it goes x/c turn and x/x river. You probably wouldn't want a leading range as his flop betting range is stronger than your flop calling range, and I imagine a turn club being fairly neutral (if anything slightly favoring his range as you over-called BB with more weaker flushes while he has more stronger ones)
Jim answered this question really well. The only caveat I would add is that often bet-folding ranges even on clubs is going to relatively narrow, so even though you probably need to bluff shove for balance against players you play will long-term against shorter term players, I would tend to play call/fold. Most players intuitively realize that a club is a bad card for there range and tend to check back many hands that would generally bet/fold.
Thanks Tyler, I find it easy to follow your videos as I assume our approach to logic is similar. Because of this could you please suggest to me any other poker books that you PERSONALLY found to have a strong influence on your understanding of the game? Thanks again for taking the time to reply.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not blowing smoke at you. The three biggest influences on my poker game are:
Theory of Poker by Sklansky? Do you think it's outdated?
I think it's the baseline for everything that comes after it. If you play the fundamental theorem of poker for every hand, you will have the largest possible winrate. Future books essentially build on the concept that our opponent could adjust to our game, so we need to be more cognizant of the entire strategy rather than just pieces, but there are still plenty of situations where maximizing an individual hand maximizes your strategy value.
Thanks guys! I just ordered it off of Amazon because I'm trying to be more like you, Tyler. Lol. (Win 24/7).
Normally I would be annoyed it took 12 minutes to get through a super standard preflop spot but you made it really in depth and interesting Tyler.
Are there any clear ways to understand what threshold hand (classes) should be the targeted indifference combos and which ones should fall on the positive and negative side of that threshold? Or is this just something we learn through solvers?
I was surprised too when I saw that I talked for 12 minutes about the hand. I was really expecting about 30 seconds.
Solvers are the quickest way to do this. I used to do this using Pokerstove and excel, but it's more tedious. You start by calling enough of your range to make a bluff indifferent. You add in any value hand which is profitable to bet against that range, you then add in enough bluffs to make the bluff catcher zero value. Juanda and MOP have good explanations.
Hey Tyler, you spent a lot of time talking about what you should do in theory - given that you weren’t playing in a vacum. With that said, can you get into some more specific hands and detail where a clean strategy is implemented (meaning a play that’s going to show profit) on each street. Further, all your examples contained an A or AAs in them. Can you show some hands that don’t contain Primarily Ace hands. Perhaps some suited connectors that you mentioned- if you played them and to what degree did they show results. Thanks
Hi Darren,
Great Questions! One of the traditional knocks against my videos is that I rarely give direct prescriptive advice. Some people like that I tend to discuss and think about all options. Other people find it less appealing. Most strategy choices in poker are close and actually lose value the more you choose to use a certain line (opponents can hand read too). This means that oscillation and discussion is a feature rather than a bug. If I played the hands the same way every time, eventually the lines would be ineffective, because the players would adjust.
I have some videos about bluffing and bluff catching which will have some weaker hands in them. Let me know if you have any questions.
Triple Barrel Bluff
Bluffing OOP
Bluff Catching in 3-Bet Pots
Hi, at 8:40 I got a little confused with the maths, because you do 240/790 = 0,30 so I would guess you are calculating the equity to call, but you say : he would need me to fold about 30% of the time to make this jam profitable.
I learned to calculate the EV of 5betting like this : (Winning when fold%fold)+(1-x)(Winning when called%call).
But if opponent has 30% equity vs your calling 5bet range and you would fold 30%, then his EV of 5bet would be 550$0,3 + (2000$0,30-840) = -75$
Maybe I did not understand properly also. Because I understand when you said you're not trying to make any two cards indifferent but are targeting a threshold of hands to make indifferent so hands below TT should clearly be a negative jam.
It got me wondering also maybe it's not just about making his range negative or positive 5bet jam but also if you're trying to make him indifferent between calling the 4bet and 5betting jam. For example in this hand the opponent had TT and he must be wondering if it would not have been more profitable for him to flat the 4bet.
Ideally, you'd like to make him indifferent between calling/folding/5-betting with some hand. In practice, usually we can make a hand indifferent between folding and 5-betting, but it is very difficult to quantify the EV of the call, which makes the indifference threshold in practice an approximation.
As to your early comments, I feel like we are talking around each other. The formula you listed where 5-betting with worth -$75 dollars at 30% equity and 30% fold equity is exactly what I was discussing in the video. At about 30% equity and 30% fold equity, a jam is breakeven. $75 dollars is 3.75% of the pot, which is close to 0% of the pot (the indifference threshold). We can be much more precise with the calculation but in game this sort of back of the envelope calculation is the level of analysis that we can do in 10 seconds.
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