$50/$100 HUNL vs LLinusLLove
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Wow hu with best 6 max cool.
great vid!
+1 to a Theory vid next.
Inside the studious mind,
Of a true-life poker super hero's grind,
Didactic, he reaches for 3-bet pots while his speech is,
Cogent and coherent, his students grateful that he teaches.
LLinus who was at the door?
Why does picking a larger 3bet size decrease the EV of his 4bets? I would have thought that it would increase his EV as there is more money in the pot to be won? (Referring to the 56s 3bet @ around 10 mins)
I meant that increased 3b size will slightly decrease ev of 4b as a strategic option. Given villain does 4b, you’re correct, OOP’s EV will be low and risking more money with bigger 3b size decreases ev on the particular trial.
gg ben, nice video and very well played (im quite surprised tbh)
i'd personally be interested in theory videos (or maybe even toygames?)
It is very cool to see you two (two of the best in the world) play and interact, and also to see that you are a member of Run It Once (ever consider making video content?). Great job and I'm happy to see you here =]
I 2nd OMG's comment
well otb still the best, and llinus quite close to top 3 players HU, but he knows it and works hard.
much love, linus -> beast
Hey Ben, thanks for the great video as always.
27:20 - 2h2d seems to be one of the weakest bluffcatchers in our range given that we block a decent amount of his potential bluffing hands after the check to the river line, right?
2s2c should work a bit better since 2x flushdraws get probed often by him on the turn. I may be wrong here but I’ve done some study on this particular spots and I believe this underpairs get folded often by IP player because they perform worse than A high or natural pairs.
I personally would love to see a PIO review of the most interesting hands of this session coming next. Thanks.
I think we prefer 2 high cards here but will have difficulty maintaining a good call freq if we never call weaker stuff like 22 or A2. I agree that waiting for a 2s2x combo is likely correct tho and this is a small mistake.
nice fold with the A3. blocking 53s,43s and he can't shove A2.
@19:05 you said you are sizing down the 3b as you get deeper? What is the reasoning for that?
Next 3 commenters are all on this topic but I’ll discuss here. As stacks get deeper I think it’s better to size 3b down to a medium size (like 135% pot or w/e) and apply pressure to the bottom of villain’s range. It’s harder to get an SPR where we can flop 1pr and go with it... and if we were to 3b an appropriate freq for a very large size we’d just be putting too much money in OOP
What is the logic for sizing down 3bets as stacks get deeper?
when u 3 bet larger, are u doing so with a more polar range or are u still being relatively linear? if the former, you mentioned that a larger sizing makes 4 betting not as profitable for villain but couldn't 4 betting small vs a polar range be a good adaptation?
@8:30 villain is going to show up with a lot of middling low show down hands. how frequently do you expect him to be barreling turn and river with these as opposed to barreling turn and giving up on river
This spot is probably quite polar so I think he will barrel slightly less than 1-a and mix in a few xc and xr
It's really nice to see a top player like Linus be so reverent and generous with his "compliments," while also demonstrating his unquenchable desire to learn. I for one am heartened by the fact that (some) of poker's elite still embody (outdated) traits like humility.
Hi Ben,
Great session. @17:54 when you have AKhh, you mentioned right away that this board was going to be good for the out of position caller and that he would have a lot of flushes on this board. But also that you block a lot of his range with the A and the K. My question is that why does he or why do you believe that he has more suited cards in this spot vs having overpairs/pairs?
IP 4b range is big pair / AK / offsuit bway heavy because these hands have lower EV to call 3b not being able to make flushes, and have two big blockers. OOP call range weighted towards stuff less dominated by this range like big suited cards and rundowns. This mechanic applies super often in NLHE so it’s worth learning
Hi Ben
For a theory video I would reallly like you to analyse the central concepts that guide how you choose your postflop betsizing - especially on the flop to narrow the subject a bit.
Im currently spending a lot of time and energy on this subject myself. To be able to compare my own work with your ideas and principles would be hugely inspirational to me!
Jakob,
It’s not really fair for me to share like a betsizing table or something bc everyone has to do their own sims. I can however go over how to do sims to find ur own conclusions .
this is something that's been on my mind recently. I've been experimenting using larger flop cbet sizes after watching a few videos from KRab and Ben. There's a HU battle KRab plays against Zyzz (or smthg like that) where Zyzz is using big cbet sizes in some spots and is able to take a player of even Kevin's caliber into some uncharted waters. Ben has a spot in a 6 max video where he faces an ep opponent using overbet sizing otf.
I find this size compelling for a few reasons. 1) you can put even some really good players in a spot that they haven't studied (thus more likely to make a mistake). 2) you get into the check lines more frequently with a range that they might misread (cause they don't know you're using a giant flop cbet size). 3) it's fun to bet big.
What I'm learning is how to identify the critical sizes through simulation. Playing with betsizes in pio teaches you about the sizes that make certain hand classes indifferent in whatever situation. There's a lot of value in exploring non-standard sizes imo because you learn what sizes make sense from an indifference standpoint. glgl
Love this format! Thanks Ben!
At 20:02, you 3-bet JTo and barrel the K turn on 843 with a block bet sizing. Since this card is better for OOP's range and we have more equity on this turn, I have usually always approached this spot in the past as betting a polarized sizing of 80%ish pot and barreling river too. I can intuitively tell your play would be a lot more difficult to play against in IP's shoes than my usual default strategy. What is your thought process for determining that this is the highest EV line to take when developing your strategy here? What do you mean that you get to "retain" more EV with the smaller bet size?
If you bet smaller here you can bet a high frequency with any 8> for value which results in a lot more combos getting B and puts IP in the bad spot with a higher freq
you can even bet some pretty random stuff like A4/A3 as a semibluff and make him fold 55-77
Hi ben, could you PLEASE tell me what the 8 HUD stats (the bottom 2 lines) are when you play 6 max zoom?
I've been trying to figure out for weeks and it's killing me, as I'd really like to copy them.
I'd really appreciate a reply,
thanks mate.
great vid. random Q, did u purchase dougs HU course or is he too far behind for it to be worth it?
h1) 87dd on Q89hhc Kx. Why dont you bluff the river as a bluff? Seems like one of our worst hands, AT/AJ both can either bet or xr flop so we wont have too many of them OTR.
- 8Tss You call a 3b IP, but you say you could 4b when deeper, could you elaborate on what difference it would make and how you decide what hands to 4b when deep?
Hey Ben, really nice video, one question, when you fold the A3, A9 is also a fold? or that is your calling range in that spot? or you prefer A2 blocking 22?
15:20 at what frequency does he need to be calling there vs your size. on a choppy board like this how would you do the maths from his perspective?
Hi there, very nice video. Min 35:00 bluffing with J8o (BXB) what frequency do we bluff with this particular hand in this type of spot? Also would the frequency change with a hand that ranks lower then J high? Thank you
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