$50/$100 HUNL vs. Kanu7 Session Review (part 7)
Posted by Phil Galfond
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Going to watch now.
EDIT: First video where I really don't have any questions. I thought I was going to wall of text, but nothing now.
Great vid as always, Phil.
I came up with a few questions:
- (~5:40) On AJ9ss Ts board with A6o, would you c/c again on turn if he bets? I was thinking it's fine to c/f here because a) we have a lot better hands to c/c (or even c/r) in our range, and b) his betting range is somewhat polarised, in a sense that he might not be betting Jx for value, and we're absolutely crushed by his betting range while his draws still have good equity vs us.
- (~11:00) On Q97sss board, would you have a r/f range on flop? And if you do, is it exclusively for bluff or would you have some value range there too?
And as played, would you have a (semi-) bluff shoving range on this turn card? And do you expect him to b/f Qx very often, if at all?
- On A63ss A board with 55, you mentioned you could bet twice for thin value and protection. That said, would you have a bluffing range on this turn? I would like to be able to bluff in as many spots as possible, but maybe this is an okay one to give up with bluff because of the range imbalance?
- (~31:00) On Q52r flop with Q2s which you 3bet, I was thinking clicking it back would be a decent option, but you pretty much covered it the vid. :)
On the other hand though, since we look quite strong when we flat his flop raise (and also since he's air heavy), wouldn't it be a good idea to reverse float with air (with some bd equity) and c/jam turn or, more likely, bomb the river if he checks back turn? If we 3bet here, he can get suspicious and 4bet light with air and whatnot, but we can take that play away by just flatting his raise. What do you think? :O
- On AK8hhh board, wouldn't it be better to just cbet flop even with no equity? He would 3b lots of Ax and Kx so we can discount some of them, and he probably won't continue with Jh7d type of hands that is actually far ahead of our hand. In other words, you'll for sure have a value betting range on this flop, so what would your bluff range look like? Would it contain mostly semi-bluffs, and not hands like this (no equity)?
And in his shoes, how would you play hands like: a) Ad6h, b) JdTd, c) 9s8d when he c-bets on this flop? Would you ever consider folding 98o?
- This is kinda insignificant, but you mentioned you should c/f your Ax on K74ss 6h board. However, given that you will 3b stronger Ax and that most Ax in your flatting range have a pair or draw on this turn, would it be too ambitious/optimistic to peel off one more street?
I'm sorry if my questions are too broad or specific. I mostly play HUSNG, hence I'm rather a noob when it comes to questions like this.
Thanks Midori,
On my phone, so just answering a couple of these quickly (could you edit to include time-stamps to the others? Just responding to ones I remember completely)
55 on A63ssAo - I definitely would barrel with 54 and most of my flush draws, so he has some incentive to peel again with K high or 3x. There is a a range imbalance, yes, but I can make up for it by betting with only my legitimate draws and my value hands. My equity with that continuing range+implied odds+opportunity to bet river makes it such that he can't take advantage of the fact that my overall range is weaker than his, since I give up with so many of the total air hands.
AK8hhh - I don't have a great grasp on my cbet range here. You may be right that I can stab liberally because most sets, 2pr and good Ax combos are removed due to his non-3bet. In his shoes, I'd always call with Ad6h, always fold JTdd, and I think 98 with no heart is close. I wonder what that means for my overall range there.
Good question- maybe we could use some number crunching later on to figure this out.
Phil,
Thanks for your reply! I have added the timestamps to the ones that you haven't covered yet.
I agree with you on 55 hand. Can I take it that you might be checking back with weaker draws like 75o on the turn? Would I be correct to think that you want him to weaken his c/c range on turn (K high or 3x) with the intention of triple barreling on some rivers to fold them out now?
As for the AK8hhh board, I was actually thinking most people don't have a balanced range on monotone flops, although it somewhat depends on the card ranks (for example, they would play a lot better on 974hhh board than on AK8hhh imho). Partly because they don't feel comfortable "making a move" on these flops, but maybe it's just hard to build well-balanced ranges on these flops, I don't know.
And twisting my earlier question a bit - what would be the a) weakest value hand you will c/r and continue to his 3bet, and b) the strongest bluff you will c/r and fold to his 3bet on this flop, if any? And if you get called, would you continue bluffing unimproved?
On Q97sss board as long as Phil has a raising range at all he surely will have both a value and bluffing range. Id imagine he would have a raising range given he will want to get value from hands like the one Kanu had (KK no spade) before scare cards fall; and his bluffs can get folds vs hands like AJ, AK, AT no spade. None of his value raising range will r/f given Kanu will often react to a raise with a 3bet instead of calling given SPR is low at that point. Many of the inferior hands Kanu decides to go with will react with a 3bet.
On A63ss,A board with 55. Phil's top of range is stronger than Kanu's because a) Kanu doesnt have AK, AQ much from pf and b) Kanu doesn't have many boats since he flatted flop. Once Kanu xc flop Phil will likely give up on his total air but can still bet wide with draws. Phil will have many value combos on turn evident by the fact he is betting as weak as 55. Any time you have a lot of value combos, you can have a wide bluffing range as well. Additionally if villain has a capped range which restricts him from re-bluffing your bluffing frequency can be higher. You'd have to clarify what you meant by range imbalance but Phil can value bet a lot without fear of being c/r bluffed thus should be bluffing often as well.
If Im wrong on any of the above Im sure Phil will correct me. edit: looks like he already responded to you.
Phil,
The a7 vs t2 at the end of the vid, it appears to be an obvious enough spot to Kanu that you seen him barreling without equity which can really only mean your turn range is too weak to continue.
How do you think the elite players will adjust? I'd be very shocked to see an avg 1k or 2k reg to really pick up on it, or snap readjust. If there's more footage, I'd be pretty pumped to see what level Kanu will be on.
I'm not sure it's THAT obvious to him that I've seen his T2 double barrel and that I know he thinks my flop range is weak. Often players in my shoes may be autopiloting, or could even have been checking an email when the HUD flashed his mucked cards. Some players in my shoes may want more evidence before making a big adjustment... though not me :)
I think that once a hand like this gets shown down, he may assume that I think he's double barreling light, but not that I think he views my flop x/c range as weak. So, he may tighten up his double barreling range, but still end up calling river bets after x/c x/x bet lines.
At 26:00 you state that his range is so capped that he wont be c/r'ing you for value ever on AJT,A. Do you think that it is optimal to have no c/r range on this board as he does and we ourselves would as well? I'd imagine including some pf calls with AT and AJ would benefit us more given our range implications on these board types than the benefits we receive from 3betting it 100% pf. Sure we lose some value by flatting them, but we expand the value we can get from other weaker hands like A-rag suited that we might recoup all or more than we gave up. By having AJ, AT in our flat range occasionally we can now expand our value c/r range to hands like A5 etc given we are not as susceptible to a b/3b bluff on turn. Likewise, now bluffs like you did on AJJ,Tss with 33 are more attractive given currently besides JT we never have a boat or straight.
Just in general it seems wrong to be so capped on those boards. We don't need to have the absolute nuts in our range (JJ, AA, etc) but playing a range that is so dominated by the opener doesn't seem right.
At 28:00 Another small incentive for value betting turn with QQ on AJT,A is even though we plan for only 2 streets of value, on A and Q rivers we will want to go for 3 streets and have that option open now.
At 36:00 you weigh various options for extracting value with Q2 on 2s 5h Qc (3bet pot). You end up cbetting the flop, calling the raise, and instantly check the 9s on the turn. Would it make sense to lead the turn to charge his drawing hands that he might check back with? As you said yourself calling a raise on the flop doesn't really look weak, so how often would he continue betting on the turn?
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