That is a very good video. You indeed bring more value to your videos than most elite coaches. Congrats and keep up. However, I find it weird how you take population tendencies into account when facing agression very often but not so much when you are the agressor and/or could take initiative.
Thanks Saulo! Would you mind clarifying what you mean with the pop. tendencies comment? If there's an example in this vid that would help. Maybe this is something that I could use to improve my game or content.
An example that comes to mind is the K8ss hand BB vs BTN @ 45:36. You say you don't have a read to exploitatively bluff the turn but I would estimate that less than 1% of players in the world will have a well balanced check back strategy on that texture, and in fact, 99% of players will be extremely unbalanced towards air hands and overcards, leaving their range extremely weak on the 9c, allowing you to bet basically any two cards profitably. But you just chose to check/fold your hand, which is the higher frequency gto play. Whereas on a lot river spots you chose to fold your bluffcatchers exploitatively, by thinking that people would be underbluffing, like on the AAh hand @ 30:40. Also your thought process about the TT hand @ 8:57 is of course very good in terms of equillibrium strategies, but a very small deviation from OOP response vs cbets will largely change the EVs of every different sizing option IP has. For example if you are playing vs someone who raises a lot of air vs small bets (or not enough air), suddenly a small bet becomes higher EV than a 3/4 bet with that specific hand, even though at equillibrium its very likely that a larger bet is preffered. And in general, defending vs small bet sizes challenges the OOP player much more than larger bet sizes, thus forcing more mistakes from him which in the ends leads to more EV. Its also much easier for you to become unbalanced when using a larger bet sizing because ranges become much more sensitive to deviations, forcing you to play complex mixed strategies to avoid getting exploited by an observant opponent.
I really appreciate the well thought-out response Saulo, and I agree with pretty much everything you said. While I do generally try to stick to a more theoretical style in my videos, I suppose I am being somewhat hypocritical my making adjustments in certain spots while refraining from making similar adjustments in others. Similarly, a part of it is just dependent on how confident I am that a certain mistake will be prevalent in an unknown's game (i.e. certain mistakes will obviously be more common than others).
Nice vid and format!
A few PF notes:
- K3s is not an easy call BBvsMP, in fact you should be calling something like K9s+ against a 3x.
- K9s COvsBB not an easy call3b either, its quite close, but I would definetly fold it at NL100 where I except really strong 3bs in these positions.
Very nice video. Liked the format a lot. A quick question: you say you play 3bet or fold (or something close) due to the higher rake at 100nl, how would this translate to lower stakes (10nl, 25nl) with even higher (relative) rake? Am i right by assuming i should adopt a similar strategy?
Hey Paul. I enjoyed this format, very informative thank you.
1:02.25 I fall in the category of over-checking my sets here. I personally don't see any merit in betting them on this turn here, which is possibly the worst in the deck. I could see myself deviating from this with a small sizing against a passive fish type, but other than that, I'm checking here 100%. Is there any other scenarios where betting the turn with my set could be better than a x/c? Thanks.
This turn card might actually be one of the best in the deck for OOP. The merit to betting is that protection is very important and there are many worse combinations in your opponents range that will continue (e.g. overpairs/pairs, FDs). Against weak opponents, I'd probably prefer betting since I think we're especially unlikely to be behind. I think you're missing too much EV if you check this every time against opponents who are unlikely to have many strong combinations or bluff two streets with this line.
Hi, fantastic video. Last hand with 76s PIO is betting all flushes on the turn OOP which I believe is not the case for most players, so it does change our betting strategy somewhat (and we then certainly cannot value/blockbet A9 type hands).
Thanks hoping for something similar in near future!
Hi!
39:28: Why not shove? Was it because you were trying to make the SB to call? Cause otherwise it doesn't make sense to me since we will have to call a shove from our opponent based on the pot odds.
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That is a very good video. You indeed bring more value to your videos than most elite coaches. Congrats and keep up. However, I find it weird how you take population tendencies into account when facing agression very often but not so much when you are the agressor and/or could take initiative.
Thanks Saulo! Would you mind clarifying what you mean with the pop. tendencies comment? If there's an example in this vid that would help. Maybe this is something that I could use to improve my game or content.
An example that comes to mind is the K8ss hand BB vs BTN @ 45:36. You say you don't have a read to exploitatively bluff the turn but I would estimate that less than 1% of players in the world will have a well balanced check back strategy on that texture, and in fact, 99% of players will be extremely unbalanced towards air hands and overcards, leaving their range extremely weak on the 9c, allowing you to bet basically any two cards profitably. But you just chose to check/fold your hand, which is the higher frequency gto play. Whereas on a lot river spots you chose to fold your bluffcatchers exploitatively, by thinking that people would be underbluffing, like on the AAh hand @ 30:40. Also your thought process about the TT hand @ 8:57 is of course very good in terms of equillibrium strategies, but a very small deviation from OOP response vs cbets will largely change the EVs of every different sizing option IP has. For example if you are playing vs someone who raises a lot of air vs small bets (or not enough air), suddenly a small bet becomes higher EV than a 3/4 bet with that specific hand, even though at equillibrium its very likely that a larger bet is preffered. And in general, defending vs small bet sizes challenges the OOP player much more than larger bet sizes, thus forcing more mistakes from him which in the ends leads to more EV. Its also much easier for you to become unbalanced when using a larger bet sizing because ranges become much more sensitive to deviations, forcing you to play complex mixed strategies to avoid getting exploited by an observant opponent.
I really appreciate the well thought-out response Saulo, and I agree with pretty much everything you said. While I do generally try to stick to a more theoretical style in my videos, I suppose I am being somewhat hypocritical my making adjustments in certain spots while refraining from making similar adjustments in others. Similarly, a part of it is just dependent on how confident I am that a certain mistake will be prevalent in an unknown's game (i.e. certain mistakes will obviously be more common than others).
Nice vid and format!
A few PF notes:
- K3s is not an easy call BBvsMP, in fact you should be calling something like K9s+ against a 3x.
- K9s COvsBB not an easy call3b either, its quite close, but I would definetly fold it at NL100 where I except really strong 3bs in these positions.
Thanks for the tips, Juan. I'm likely under-adjusting my BB calling ranges to 3x relative to the more common 2x.
Very nice video. Liked the format a lot. A quick question: you say you play 3bet or fold (or something close) due to the higher rake at 100nl, how would this translate to lower stakes (10nl, 25nl) with even higher (relative) rake? Am i right by assuming i should adopt a similar strategy?
Yes, definitely.
Hey Paul. I enjoyed this format, very informative thank you.
1:02.25 I fall in the category of over-checking my sets here. I personally don't see any merit in betting them on this turn here, which is possibly the worst in the deck. I could see myself deviating from this with a small sizing against a passive fish type, but other than that, I'm checking here 100%. Is there any other scenarios where betting the turn with my set could be better than a x/c? Thanks.
This turn card might actually be one of the best in the deck for OOP. The merit to betting is that protection is very important and there are many worse combinations in your opponents range that will continue (e.g. overpairs/pairs, FDs). Against weak opponents, I'd probably prefer betting since I think we're especially unlikely to be behind. I think you're missing too much EV if you check this every time against opponents who are unlikely to have many strong combinations or bluff two streets with this line.
Love the format and I apprciate you making and extra long video.
Hi, fantastic video. Last hand with 76s PIO is betting all flushes on the turn OOP which I believe is not the case for most players, so it does change our betting strategy somewhat (and we then certainly cannot value/blockbet A9 type hands).
Thanks hoping for something similar in near future!
Hi!
39:28: Why not shove? Was it because you were trying to make the SB to call? Cause otherwise it doesn't make sense to me since we will have to call a shove from our opponent based on the pot odds.
Thx.
I like this format, hope that u make more from this stuff
Bring this back for the 500z sessions sometime (not all the time - live play is great too but this is nice as well)
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