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Paul Atwal

POSTED Aug 07, 2018

Paul Atwal aka shifftyy makes his Elite debut with four handed action at two tables of $500 NL Zoom.

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Paul Atwal 6 years, 8 months ago

Credit to CantWinAFlip for making an unconventional play that got me so out of my comfort zone! Trying to figure out a "new" spot on-the-fly while also providing (useful) commentary can be difficult.

I still agree with my river check. My reasoning, in hindsight, is that we don't have enough value bets in our range after not raising turn for a hand as strong as AJ to be a bluff. Had I raised turn, which I'm not sure is the play with this combo, I think this had would be a much more reasonable river bluff.

zache86 6 years, 8 months ago

Hi Paul! Nice vid ,it's nice to see you got upgraded...some thoughts about the footage:

-Totally agree ,and as you said that donkBet shouldn't be a thing for him.

-Im curious about the 4b hand with QQ (min 33), you said that villain was on the passive side and thats why you folded...do you check the wwsf for spots like this? I tend to link up three stats (wtsd/wwsf/wonSD) and come up with a conclusion but having a decent sample (you only got 400 hands on him)...wath's your default thought process for spots like this with little info?

-You have 3 stats outside the main HUD...wich are those?

Thank you in advance

Paul Atwal 6 years, 8 months ago

Thanks Zache.

I tend to link up three stats (wtsd/wwsf/wonSD) and come up with a conclusion

I do the same! The higher their WSD in my sample, the lower I assume their "true" WWSF is (and vice versa). In my sample, this player had a WSD of 60 (which is pretty high) while still only having a WWSF of 45.

The three stats on the side are:
WTSD
WWSF
WSD

Hova 6 years, 8 months ago

How do you tend to link these 3 stats? Is there any sort of formula you can use to get a number that would give truer impression of players aggression/style?

I assume the gap between WWSF and W$SD would indicate how aggr people are but not sure how to use WTSD in there? If that's high along with the others likely that its run good over aggression for sample?

thanks

Paul Atwal 6 years, 8 months ago

Good question, Hova.

How do you tend to link these 3 stats? Is there any sort of formula you can use to get a number that would give truer impression of players aggression/style?

No formula, I just consider all three.

Ex 1)

Player A (1k sample)

WTSD = 35
WWSF = 50
WSD = 60
That's a relatively high WTSD and WSD. This suggests that he's running hot and getting a lot of good hands (he's going to showdown a bunch, and he's winning at showdown at bunch). This might mean that his "true" WWSF is a decent bit lower than 50.

Ex 2)

Player B (1k sample)

WTSD = 28
WWSF = 44
WSD = 40

WTSD is pretty normal here, but his WSD is really low. This suggests that he's running poorly and that his "true" WWSF might be higher than 44.

Moosegills 6 years, 8 months ago

@10:50 if you're folding QJs to 4b BBvsBTN what does your call 4 bet range look like in this situation.

Moosegills 6 years, 8 months ago

I would have never thought that a sim would think its a fold since it shouldn't have to deal with domination issues as there won't often be higher Qx/Jx in btn 4betting range. I suppose the sim figures most people over defending vs 4bets in this spot and the lower SCs are just added for a bit of board coverage.

Paul Atwal 6 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, I wish I could give a better reason than "that's what the sim does", but that's pretty much it. It did seem weird to me the first time I saw it too.

Juan S 6 years, 8 months ago

Hi. Minute 9, the river bet with A7, I don't really get. Are we hoping to get paid by 6x exclusively? Or perhaps A high putting us on QJ, KJ and KQ? But in that case we also block those calls...I play much lower but this seems to have gone over my head.

Paul Atwal 6 years, 8 months ago

I PIO'd this hand and my line is okay, but it should occur much less frequently with my exact combo than I expected. My hand is often a fold otf, and then a sometimes block/mostly check otr.

We can definitely still get called by worse (certain A high, 6x, PP). I wouldn't worry too much about blocking a single A in such a wide range situation where he has basically every Ax pre.

Hova 6 years, 8 months ago

Thanks for vid.
17min
Q6ss we open co (is this profitable with 3 regs behind?) and double barrel full pot on turn KJ2hhhTc. What rivers are you following through on here if any?

Paul Atwal 6 years, 8 months ago

Q6ss we open co (is this profitable with 3 regs behind?)

Bottom of range open. I might fold if they were overly aggro 3brs.

What rivers are you following through on here if any?

I could consider bluffing this combo on some 4th heart rivers. This combo will mostly give up on blanks, though. We probably don't want to hold a Q in this spot since we're blocking 2nd/3rd pair call + call + fold combos.

JimMarsden 6 years, 8 months ago

Hey Paul, great video and congrats on becoming an elite coach.

I know it's a lot to ask, but could you please tell me all of the Main HUD stats that you're using. I've been struggling to find a perfect balance between too few and too many, and I really like how organised your Main HUD is structured.

Thanks.

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