27:15 table 1 Ac8c- I think calling all flop range and then c/r turns and rivers is a viable strategy. And I agree that based on that strategy you want to have a c/r range on the turn with nut flushes, and perhaps the second couple of second nut flushes you mentioned, but I don't think you need to do it at the frequency at you mentioned. After you are check raising you are playing a two street game so it is not necessary to have a 2:1 value to bluff ration but rather closer to a 3:2 or 1:1 value ratio so long as you bet river at an appropriate frequency (and opponent should be simply calling 100% given that you are c/r with nut flushes and blockers). Given that it seems reasonable to occasionally call with the nut flush to protect your weaker hands on rivers, although the majority of nut flushes should still fall into the c/r range. Would you agree?
Hi,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say "after you are check raising you are playing a two street game so it's not necessary to have 2:1 value to bluff ratio."
Maybe this concept is something I'm ignorant of, however, I'm playing each street independently so I don't exactly see why how many streets are left to play would have an effect on that ratio.
I should probably reconsider my river strategy a bit though because some of my turn semi bluffs improve on club rivers effectively giving me zero bluffing range on those cards. I would think that would make me want to adjust my turn range to include a few pure bluffs. Which ones to include and how to randomize, I really just don't know. Let me know if you have any suggestions.
And to respond to your question ...
"Given that it seems reasonable to occasionally call with the nut flush to protect your weaker hands on rivers, although the majority of nut flushes should still fall into the c/r range. Would you agree?"
I actually think I don't really need to do this because I have the AcJx and the Ac9x in my turn chk/call range so I can use those to c/shove rivers and keep my opponent from exploiting me by over barreling. I think the fact that I won't have any made hands in this river range (aside from flopped sets that boated up on board pairing rivers) actually won't matter because the spot just won't come up nearly enough for people to know what I'm doing--I didn't even know what I was doing when I was actually playing the hand (I'm talking about c/c turn w/ nut flush and c/r river)--so it's not like somebody is actually going to "figure me out" when it's obvious I just am not really capable of playing perfectly.
5:00 QJo why can't they have AQ? Still I think we have the best hand a lot. This isn't a board were ppl will bluf a lot. bc BU has a lot of showdown value hands and I think people dont bluf much 3way in this positions. rather bet something small to let them fold low pp(which still have 10% equity together.
Sure I suppose they could have AQ sometimes. BTN might actually even have KJ occasionally. I wouldn't argue against a bet.
This is a small thing. I definitely bet there sometimes as well but it does feel a bit like I have a lot of pairs 22-JJ that I would like to protect occasionally by checking some hands that are comfortable calling a turn bet like QJ.
QQ on T52T the guy is clearly a fish and fish usually bet smaller with nutted hands because they rarely are thinking about ranges in depth and future streets, so i think half pot is pretty consistent with boats, AT.And when he snap jams the river i`d expect him to have close to zero bluffs.
TT, on AQ6r vs same guy i dont think you should peel flop here with all of the Ax,Qx in your range.Yeah its true hell probably shut down with his no equity hands but i doubt hes gonna be that wide to begin with and you block some of his broadways bluffs.Also he`s probably 0% range aware and could be betting all of his Ax 3b bluffs and some Qx.
26 min, bottom left - you fold 97s in the co.Is it a game flow thing and you think theyre more likely to play back at you because you 3b the hand before or missclick ? Im guessing you do have it your co opening range.
Unreal how soft this site is though, 3/6 seems equivalent of 25nl on major sites minus maybe few stronger regs you might come across here and there.
There's no strong reason for folding the 97s. Sometimes I open it sometimes I don't. The game flow is going to be a small subconscious consideration.
The softness is relative. I can get in about 250 hands an hour 4 tabling here and about 4 times that 4 tabling zoom. Also we can't exploit known weaknesses in other regs games because we don't know who we are playing against or how they like to play. It's also more difficult to distinguish regs from fish.
I would be very surprised if you take an average 25nl winning player from stars and throw him in these games and see him be a big winner.
I havent really played 0.25 so cant tell, but few stronger regs from 50 and 100 zoom i played with would definitely hold their own, the best from 200 would crush.I`v seen a couple of Bovada videos up to 10-20 that were mega soft and know a couple of weaker players that crush there, so was just random ball park assuming.More of how worse weak regs + fish seem to be compared to major sites, sort of thing.
I know youre an elite player though, so wasnt my intention to take anything from your skill because site seems soft.You probably print $ there.
A. What's the name of the software program you have been using for your math practice?
B. 14:22 - You make a bluff in position with K 10 on the turn. If he calls your turn bet, what hands do you think you make him fold on the river if you bluff? Are there any rivers that you are planning on giving up on if he calls your turn bet?
B. I just think if he calls turn it's like a stubborn call with a hand like AT w/out the Ah, or a hand like 66 (though not too many ppl 3bet 66 in this spot in these games). I could give up on Q rivers, A rivers, and sometimes heart rivers depending on the value but would still bluff a lot.
31:10 A8cc : Verry interesting spot. Think the main reason to xr turn is that we don't need to balance our xc range. There arnt rivers that we don't like with our whole range. We still have sets/AcJo/Ac9o 2p in our range. Do you like only ch/r Axxcc and Kcxc on turn. and xc the weaker flushes?
32:00 QQ I think we should always cb QQ. I rather xc AA and top set since those need much less protection. Also This is such a dry flop I like to cb reasonably on so I also like to cb much for value.
I think on the flop I will cb all my pp for protection/value. I think I like check most Tx. My cb/call range will be 99+ and I think we should also call AK. On turn I will fold 99JJ and some AK. On the river my range looks QQ+/AK. GTO wise QQ will be really close. I also don't expect ppl to bluf a lot in this spot, so I like the fold
Last hand TT: Don't like to call TT. In theorie we defend to much if we call TT. If he checks turn I want to bluf some hands. If our range is only Ax/Qx/TT we don't have blufs. So I rather float flop with draw hands. We can't call TT Ax Qx and draws(then we are calling to much) unless we have reads I guess?
Your question with the A8 I addressed in my first reply.
QQ. Still not sure about this one, I'm on the fence, certainly I wasn't getting too great of odds having to call a PSB.
TT. You aren't the only one to bring up issue with me saying we can call here but I stand by it. This is an anonymous game type situation only. You hear me talk about theoretical play versus exploitative play a lot in my videos now so yes I agree that in theory we'll be calling "too much", but my assumption based on my opponent's sizing and the board texture is that he is bluffing too much.
This isn't a spot you have to call in, you could fold and I wouldn't say it's a mistake--I actually did fold. I was just pointing out that I think it's likely not a bad call for exploitative reasons.
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27:15 table 1 Ac8c- I think calling all flop range and then c/r turns and rivers is a viable strategy. And I agree that based on that strategy you want to have a c/r range on the turn with nut flushes, and perhaps the second couple of second nut flushes you mentioned, but I don't think you need to do it at the frequency at you mentioned. After you are check raising you are playing a two street game so it is not necessary to have a 2:1 value to bluff ration but rather closer to a 3:2 or 1:1 value ratio so long as you bet river at an appropriate frequency (and opponent should be simply calling 100% given that you are c/r with nut flushes and blockers). Given that it seems reasonable to occasionally call with the nut flush to protect your weaker hands on rivers, although the majority of nut flushes should still fall into the c/r range. Would you agree?
Hi,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say "after you are check raising you are playing a two street game so it's not necessary to have 2:1 value to bluff ratio."
Maybe this concept is something I'm ignorant of, however, I'm playing each street independently so I don't exactly see why how many streets are left to play would have an effect on that ratio.
I should probably reconsider my river strategy a bit though because some of my turn semi bluffs improve on club rivers effectively giving me zero bluffing range on those cards. I would think that would make me want to adjust my turn range to include a few pure bluffs. Which ones to include and how to randomize, I really just don't know. Let me know if you have any suggestions.
And to respond to your question ...
"Given that it seems reasonable to occasionally call with the nut flush to protect your weaker hands on rivers, although the majority of nut flushes should still fall into the c/r range. Would you agree?"
I actually think I don't really need to do this because I have the AcJx and the Ac9x in my turn chk/call range so I can use those to c/shove rivers and keep my opponent from exploiting me by over barreling. I think the fact that I won't have any made hands in this river range (aside from flopped sets that boated up on board pairing rivers) actually won't matter because the spot just won't come up nearly enough for people to know what I'm doing--I didn't even know what I was doing when I was actually playing the hand (I'm talking about c/c turn w/ nut flush and c/r river)--so it's not like somebody is actually going to "figure me out" when it's obvious I just am not really capable of playing perfectly.
nice video!
5:00 QJo why can't they have AQ? Still I think we have the best hand a lot. This isn't a board were ppl will bluf a lot. bc BU has a lot of showdown value hands and I think people dont bluf much 3way in this positions. rather bet something small to let them fold low pp(which still have 10% equity together.
Thanks.
Sure I suppose they could have AQ sometimes. BTN might actually even have KJ occasionally. I wouldn't argue against a bet.
This is a small thing. I definitely bet there sometimes as well but it does feel a bit like I have a lot of pairs 22-JJ that I would like to protect occasionally by checking some hands that are comfortable calling a turn bet like QJ.
Nice video.
QQ on T52T the guy is clearly a fish and fish usually bet smaller with nutted hands because they rarely are thinking about ranges in depth and future streets, so i think half pot is pretty consistent with boats, AT.And when he snap jams the river i`d expect him to have close to zero bluffs.
TT, on AQ6r vs same guy i dont think you should peel flop here with all of the Ax,Qx in your range.Yeah its true hell probably shut down with his no equity hands but i doubt hes gonna be that wide to begin with and you block some of his broadways bluffs.Also he`s probably 0% range aware and could be betting all of his Ax 3b bluffs and some Qx.
26 min, bottom left - you fold 97s in the co.Is it a game flow thing and you think theyre more likely to play back at you because you 3b the hand before or missclick ? Im guessing you do have it your co opening range.
Unreal how soft this site is though, 3/6 seems equivalent of 25nl on major sites minus maybe few stronger regs you might come across here and there.
Thanks.
There's no strong reason for folding the 97s. Sometimes I open it sometimes I don't. The game flow is going to be a small subconscious consideration.
The softness is relative. I can get in about 250 hands an hour 4 tabling here and about 4 times that 4 tabling zoom. Also we can't exploit known weaknesses in other regs games because we don't know who we are playing against or how they like to play. It's also more difficult to distinguish regs from fish.
I would be very surprised if you take an average 25nl winning player from stars and throw him in these games and see him be a big winner.
I havent really played 0.25 so cant tell, but few stronger regs from 50 and 100 zoom i played with would definitely hold their own, the best from 200 would crush.I`v seen a couple of Bovada videos up to 10-20 that were mega soft and know a couple of weaker players that crush there, so was just random ball park assuming.More of how worse weak regs + fish seem to be compared to major sites, sort of thing.
I know youre an elite player though, so wasnt my intention to take anything from your skill because site seems soft.You probably print $ there.
Nice to see you making videos again.
A. What's the name of the software program you have been using for your math practice?
B. 14:22 - You make a bluff in position with K 10 on the turn. If he calls your turn bet, what hands do you think you make him fold on the river if you bluff? Are there any rivers that you are planning on giving up on if he calls your turn bet?
Thanks!
Hi thanks.
A. Equilab.
B. I just think if he calls turn it's like a stubborn call with a hand like AT w/out the Ah, or a hand like 66 (though not too many ppl 3bet 66 in this spot in these games). I could give up on Q rivers, A rivers, and sometimes heart rivers depending on the value but would still bluff a lot.
31:10 A8cc : Verry interesting spot. Think the main reason to xr turn is that we don't need to balance our xc range. There arnt rivers that we don't like with our whole range. We still have sets/AcJo/Ac9o 2p in our range. Do you like only ch/r Axxcc and Kcxc on turn. and xc the weaker flushes?
32:00 QQ I think we should always cb QQ. I rather xc AA and top set since those need much less protection. Also This is such a dry flop I like to cb reasonably on so I also like to cb much for value.
I think on the flop I will cb all my pp for protection/value. I think I like check most Tx. My cb/call range will be 99+ and I think we should also call AK. On turn I will fold 99JJ and some AK. On the river my range looks QQ+/AK. GTO wise QQ will be really close. I also don't expect ppl to bluf a lot in this spot, so I like the fold
Last hand TT: Don't like to call TT. In theorie we defend to much if we call TT. If he checks turn I want to bluf some hands. If our range is only Ax/Qx/TT we don't have blufs. So I rather float flop with draw hands. We can't call TT Ax Qx and draws(then we are calling to much) unless we have reads I guess?
Hi,
Your question with the A8 I addressed in my first reply.
QQ. Still not sure about this one, I'm on the fence, certainly I wasn't getting too great of odds having to call a PSB.
TT. You aren't the only one to bring up issue with me saying we can call here but I stand by it. This is an anonymous game type situation only. You hear me talk about theoretical play versus exploitative play a lot in my videos now so yes I agree that in theory we'll be calling "too much", but my assumption based on my opponent's sizing and the board texture is that he is bluffing too much.
This isn't a spot you have to call in, you could fold and I wouldn't say it's a mistake--I actually did fold. I was just pointing out that I think it's likely not a bad call for exploitative reasons.
Great video and very well explained, thanks for the content Peter :)
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