4 Table $5/$10 6-Max NLHE Session Review
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Here is the cliff for the first 20 mins. I will cliff the second half after work.
Cliff;
- Numbers are slightly blurry, it’s a little hard to see.
- Q8ss we can 3bet or call 50/50 from sb
- “Q8sss is a fine hand to play 3 bet pots, even out of position”
- Q8ss gets into tough spot that needs Piosolver
Thanks. I am a big fan of your videos
Were you able to see the c/r range for SB on the turn? I see 9 combos, but don't know what those 9 combos are. Thanks for the cliffs :)
Not sure we should ever x/r turn since our range is so capped that needs protection with our strongish hands.
Hi teunuss, good video as always. Nice Q8s spot with piosolver
39:40 66. I think you overcall here preflop with 22-55 too right? Would you bluff all of them OTR if checked to?
Its a good spot to bluff for sure, since we have way more 9x than both other players.
With the bb in play, I will have 79s/89s/9Ts (9Ts very little combo's that I will check through obv) and probably around half of J9s and A9s. That would be around 6 valuecombo's, so bluffing all of my 22-55 will be quite a big mistake when our valuerange is quite narrow.
min 1:42 as a NL fish why wouldn't you bet club rivers? Your range contains as many flushdraws as his when flop goes ch ch, ch/c, ch/bet or don't you cb bd Kx Ax flushdraws? Also weak fd he is leading turn with a lot or is he not leading at all on Ax turns?
I always like to bluff hands that have decent blockers in spots where they matter. (in this specific runout, where the board is so dry our most profitable bluffs will be hands that block some Ax and those that don't block the missed draws, so 28dd is perfect for this runout. On a c runout Id rather bluff all my random combo's with a c in it that didn't bet flop, there are still plenty in my range left to not bluff 28dd.
One thing about the Piosolver analysis is that this pot was 3 way so that likely changes the GTO ranges for you and the BB.
Yes certainly agree, his range on the river will almost certainly be stronger, which might make Q8s a better fold than call.
Nice video as always. I also found it difficult to read the text/numbers (almost like it was playing back at 480p resolution).
really good video.
about BB squeezing ranges when its btn raise and sb flat, it seems most people just squeeze top 10-12% of hands and rarely any like lighter hands (like hands a little too weak to call the raise). I wonder what is the difference in why everyone seems to be so linear and never 3b hands a bit too weak to call, which seems to be the case when there is a raiser and no callers.
at 36min, you say you want to fold J9 on Aj852, but he has very wide BB calling range so has all the off suit 74,64,76,97,96,T7, T9, QT, Q9, KT, KQ hands and doesn't have the big aces that clearly want to value bet as he wud squeeze them. Further, u wud be betting flop with a lot of Ax versus weaker player, so u r pretty capped and i think calling KJ better then J9, but i do think u need to call both bc yes u block some 9x straight draws that missed but he can just so easily be making a frequency mistake versus ur perceived capped range.
I made fast sim by crev. J9 is fine call and KJ is better. River depends what strategys Villian is playing. As we saw he didnt bluff the bottom end of his range so folding J9 to a riverbet seems reasonable.
If he is bluffing like 50% of the time w all his gutters QT,KQ,Q9,T9,74,64 etc hands then we have + ev call even the ev is smallish.
Maybe we should call from time to time w J9 even we block some of V bluffinghands just to get sure we have roughly right freq here
Thanks @5bbluff!
-Yes that's true, it's the same reason why there are tons of people who don't have a bluffingrange in the bb vs utg/mp, it's because calling is an attractive option, so it's easier to call those suited funky hands than to 3bet them ingame ;)
-To the other question, it's hard to say, and hard to give him a frequency of bluffing, I guess J9 will have to be a call some smaller % as Jownz pointed out.
Great video as always. I found the Qc8c hand very interesting. Every decision you made seemed reasonable to me, but the total sum of the hand feels so wrong. I could be biased as we did face a triple barrel in a spot where our opponent roughly wants to make this hand class indifferent to calling or folding. The problem is I can't figure out where I would make a different decision. I am tighter preflop in small blind than you, but haven't played NLH with antes so I don't have a great feel for that spot. One thing that makes the argument for folding preflop is that we had a flop in the top 15% and still only return returns $213 of the $370 pot before we face a bet. Once he begins betting our EV starts dropping all the way down to neutral EV vs a triple barrel. This feels to low to me for a hand that is so strong on such a good flop for us. Another topic you didn't discuss, is this was a multi-way pot, so you don't have to bluff catch quite as liberally both preflop and postflop. Hatrick is betting into two opponents lowering the EV of his flop bluffs. Do you think the third player on the flop has an effect on his bluffing/value range on the river vs a similar scenario that was HU on the flop?
Thanks, as said before, I think the fact that it's 3way, his range on the river will allmost certainly be stronger, and since it was already a really close spot, folding the larger % is probably correct here.
The preflop question is obviously very interesting but honestly way over my head to figure out exactly if I should be folding this preflop.
"One thing that makes the argument for folding preflop is that we had a flop in the top 15% and still only return returns $213 of the $370 pot before we face a bet", sorry where did u get this numbers Brian, do you mind talking a bit more about the maths that you have done? Thank you very much :-).
@pablo that is EV PIO returns when you plug in the ranges into the solver
Thank you very much ;-).
Min 10 ATo: I dont think it is good defend vs Potbet oop on QT9 ss seems like you gonna fold Turn 80-90% of the time. Vs Potbet we can defend 33% mdf not sure if we have to vs "funplayer" but also not sure if this hand belongs into it. There are just so many wrong turns and even his bluffs has quite good equity to improve.
Min 12 Q8s: And I dont think we can defend here oop vs squeeze and with being in the most miserable position. I dont think Potodds alone is reason to do such a marginal call preflop. And if you hit you going to end up in spots like that where in the case you are indifferent w your best bluffcatcher.
But at the end like always a very decent vid Sir. I like most of your hands you did play.
Gl for the SNE Run!
Thanks!
-AT seems really close to me for the reasons you pointed out, we have so many good potential c/c'ing hands otf with much better eq, which might make ATo a fine fold indeed.
-Commented on this in previous questions!
I like the 4 tabling videos. Good one!
14.00 KJo HU - Given that OTR you are really close to the bottom of your range, ever consider a bluff on a non club river? I assume you didnt fire the river since your value range is really narrow and you have better candidates to bluff in this spot. Am I correct? If so, could you name hands that play XB/Call/Bet on the actual Qc river?
14.00 Q8s - Sorry to bring up this hand again :P . In case BB goes for a turn shove, how do you feel about calling? Given his turn sizing, I feel inclined to shove in order to force his draws to call and his bluffs to give up their equity. Why do you think this is suboptimal and decide to just call?
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