4 Table $3/$6 6-Max PLO (part 5)
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hi,
at the 3.20 mark you fold TT65ds was just wondering what DS pair hands you would flat vs an UTG opening range in these positions? I know the raiser and the players behind have a big impact on the decision but as a standard I have been flatting JJ65ds and 7765ds but folding worse than that. Do you ever 3b 8876ds type hands in later positions?
ps. great video!
I am going to need a more connected hand to play from MP vs UTG. Maybe all ds pair hands with no gaps 8876ds and higher, also higher ds pairs with a gap, something along those lines. My standard is to fold JJ65ds and 7765ds but I play tighter than average from early positions so it should be fine too for you to play them.
I will 3-bet any of those combos, along with some ds rundowns at a low frequency to help my board coverage but I am mostly calling all of those.
You don't seem very sure about a lot of the situations. You keep saying "I'm not sure what the correct play here is". I like that you aren't just blindy saying "This is the right play" but it seems like you have a lot of work to do to figure out what is the correct play in many spots. The videos aren't very helpful if in a lot of the situations you aren't sure about the plays you are making
I know people tend to prefer clear cut advice and instructions but the truth is PLO is a complicated game and as long as there is no equivalent of PIO solver for PLO even 25/50+ players won't be very sure about a lot of the situations as you put it.
In my opinion anybody still playing low-midstakes today that thinks he is very sure about how to play a lot of those close non obvious spots is just completely delusional. Recognizing one's own mediocrity is the first step to move forward.
I feel like these videos are helpful in that they are an honest insight into how a self-aware midstakes grinder approaches the games he plays.
There is a short list of guys who know the answer to these spots, and they are not making PLO videos
I just saw that you addressed what I just said at the end of the video, lol
32:00 AhJc4s7c defend this again UTG range looks to loose probably EV- OOP, then flop Qs8h6c this is a good flop for hero range "I suppose", so here still have a value range and this hand with a couple of backdoors looks good for my bluffing range or whit kind of hands still use in your bluffing range?
6:36 I dont see the EV of betting on the turn + to EV of X cause after hero call FD are the big part of hero range, so what worse hand call there? and what kind of bluffs you use in hero range?
AhJc4s7c defend vs UTG: I consistently see elite players defending much worse hands than that here so for now Ill keep calling that in the BB.
x/r bluffing flop with that hand: as I said, I think its slightly too weak to consider continuing with that combo. We should have plenty of better candidates: anything with at least some nut outs or better backdoors.
6.36: I am not sure at all about this hand, but if lead shoving is a thing to do (as I believe it is at least some small % of the time) the reason would be straightforward: we have lots of flushes and he has lots of top sets that are always checking back.
You ask "so what worse hand call there?", well, AAxx mainly, as he did in that hand, which has just 25% equity against our flushes but will take a free card whenever we check.
Remarks about Ac4c5d2c w J7ccxx
Good players will find a fold w a set on the turn because a lot of your donk jams on turn are flushes. its not like you call flop w KcJh 1 club and donk jam when 3clubs hit. Also not calling gutshot straight draws on this flop. Sets jam flop.
when it goes chk/chk you can jam river.
when you x.jam flop it almost always looks club draw. what 4s and 5s are you calling pre? AK/AQ will have to bet/call. I think calling flop is the way to go. All the hands you get to fold on the flop by jamming will probably chk the turn. You look really strong on that board when you call 3bet and x/call that board.
@ wrathofram
Mostly good points, a few things that I disagree with:
"Also not calling gutshot straight draws on this flop" If I had a gutshot on flop it has to be A3xx and whatever the xx are I am definitely not folding that vs an half pot bet. Still not a big part of my range though, I should end up with a lot more flushes than straights here.
I agree I almost never have a set on flop, but I dont think I need a set to shove here, sure that will be lots of flush draws but in a pot this big any A with a flush draw or any AKxx looks like a pretty good shoving candidate especially if opponent is the kind to just c-bet 100% on that board.
"You look really strong on that board when you call 3bet and x/call that board." I dont know about that, on a blank turn I end up with lots of missed flush draws and A with a pair or A with 3 kickers still. I am forced to fold a lot of those when I face a close to pot turn shove.
I think u talk too much about pretty basic stuff. U dont need to stop a video to say that Q955 is a no brainer flat from the BB.
You comment about every open or fold, and i think in elite video is not necessary.
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