Can you comment on the use of multiway play, back-raises post flop. Is this a part of optimal play or more commonly an optimal response to a suboptimal play by opponents? Or something else, pure exploit etc.
What is a good theoretical framework to think about this play? These situations arise somewhat frequently live both preflop and postflop and are typically, in my experience, a response to a known suboptimal strategy.
I think back raises are situations where we call a bet only to raise on the second round of betting on the same street after a third player raises. So, for example, preflop- UTG raise, we call BU, BB 3b, UTG calls, we backraise. Is that what you're asking about? Timestamp?
Yep, good call. I also was not aware of this feature but it would have helped present the data in the low reach sim on the Ah8h hand where Apoth's strategy was modeled with 2 cb sizes.
Playing 4 Zoom tables simultaneously and speak over the hands while playing seems almost autistic for me :D Amazing play and analysis as always. Thanks a lot Ben! (Y)
Hi Ben,
Great video as always, the PIO analysis at the end is a nice touch. On the QJ8 board that you put into PIO why do you think PIO prefers the 25% sizing on such wet board with alot of mixing between bet and check? (rather than using the small sizing for near full range) Is it to do with the EV difference between IP and OOP being a lot closer on a board like this?
Thanks
Yes. You can see that OOP already XR 19% vs the small sizing made with <100% frequency. That suggests that if IP decided to B 100% frequency, OOP could exploit with an even more aggressive strategy which would reduce the EV of IP's marginal hands relative to checking some frequency.
i dont understand the fold flop with tens @11;20 vs 1/4 pot size bet , in pio it would be a call even against 50% potsize bet. I think it s way too tight
I should have spent more time flagging this decision as close, thanks for pointing this spot out. I referenced some prior work I'd done on A52ssx, and pocket pairs 66-TT were mostly folding without a BFD as sizing >33% pot. However, it's possible that A72ssx is different enough from this texture that I should be continuing them as a mix. I think it's possible your Pio model is using a weaker range for IP than I am which would lead to a looser equilibrium for OOP.
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Can you comment on the use of multiway play, back-raises post flop. Is this a part of optimal play or more commonly an optimal response to a suboptimal play by opponents? Or something else, pure exploit etc.
What is a good theoretical framework to think about this play? These situations arise somewhat frequently live both preflop and postflop and are typically, in my experience, a response to a known suboptimal strategy.
I think back raises are situations where we call a bet only to raise on the second round of betting on the same street after a third player raises. So, for example, preflop- UTG raise, we call BU, BB 3b, UTG calls, we backraise. Is that what you're asking about? Timestamp?
The spot is at 1:35 bottom left, but not sure if it was 'back-raise' on the flop, cause original raiser just x/r and you both just called it.
Strategy tab is great ty. Maybe normalize squares helps visualize the low population situations -- not sure. Ty again.
Yep, good call. I also was not aware of this feature but it would have helped present the data in the low reach sim on the Ah8h hand where Apoth's strategy was modeled with 2 cb sizes.
Playing 4 Zoom tables simultaneously and speak over the hands while playing seems almost autistic for me :D Amazing play and analysis as always. Thanks a lot Ben! (Y)
Thanks .... ?
I like to think of myself as weird in a non clinical way...
Hi Ben,
Great video as always, the PIO analysis at the end is a nice touch. On the QJ8 board that you put into PIO why do you think PIO prefers the 25% sizing on such wet board with alot of mixing between bet and check? (rather than using the small sizing for near full range) Is it to do with the EV difference between IP and OOP being a lot closer on a board like this?
Thanks
Yes. You can see that OOP already XR 19% vs the small sizing made with <100% frequency. That suggests that if IP decided to B 100% frequency, OOP could exploit with an even more aggressive strategy which would reduce the EV of IP's marginal hands relative to checking some frequency.
i dont understand the fold flop with tens @11;20 vs 1/4 pot size bet , in pio it would be a call even against 50% potsize bet. I think it s way too tight
I should have spent more time flagging this decision as close, thanks for pointing this spot out. I referenced some prior work I'd done on A52ssx, and pocket pairs 66-TT were mostly folding without a BFD as sizing >33% pot. However, it's possible that A72ssx is different enough from this texture that I should be continuing them as a mix. I think it's possible your Pio model is using a weaker range for IP than I am which would lead to a looser equilibrium for OOP.
Good video, thanks for the kind words :)
Thanks for answering :)
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