$3/$6 and $5/$10 Small Blind Hands
Posted by Tyler Forrester
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33:45, 88 3bet hand.
You chose to 3bet a short stack from 3x to 12x, basically committing yourself. Ignoring the fact that BB is still left to act in the pot, I'm curious why you chose that sizing rather than either A) 3betting to get the shortie all in, or B) 3betting a smaller sizing to have the perception of a 3b/fold range. It seems like the sizing you chose telegraphed to the shortie that you were all in with your hand, but it sort of gave him an additional strategic option or calling and cherry picking flops rather than just call/fold pre. It seems like he might have a few hands in his range where calling and folding the absolute worst flops for his hand could be better than just jamming pre. Is there a reason why allowing him to have that additional strategic option, when you're clearly already all in, is better than choosing either a larger or smaller sizing and removing his cherry picking option?
Hi Jd,
Sorry for the delay, my family went to Costa Rica for Christmas. The 1/2 stack 3-bet is an old school play that I use against calling stations. The basic idea is that he calls the 1/2 stack bet too often and then incorrectly folds some flops. Say QJo on a 632 board. I get some benefit from his mistakes postflop and I only lose 13bbs when the BB wakes up with hand as opposed to 27bb. Against stronger opposition, I'd use a more traditional small 3-bet strategy because it has higher expectation against stronger strategies.
I think you should find a fold with the KQss OTR there, especially vs this fellow. River bluffing frequencies are going to be almost non-existent on this particular river given your perceived range. I also disagree with Kx being shown here ever really, as Kx still has to worry about AA/Jx and obviously can't get value. If you're snapping Kx (which population mostly is), then there is no value in merge-jamming Kx. Qs also doesn't help our cause. This is AA or Jx 99%
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Thanks for your feedback! It was probably fold.
hi tyler,
could you say a bit more about the AJhh flop spot on 765 at 17:55? first you say you think you have to c/f, then that it also seems reasonable to cbet, and finally that you actually kind of like to c/r this combo. c/f seems a bit weak to me, why don't you like cbetting or what are your thoughts there? (I do see your point about c/r just don't really consider this move much).
also why (19:55) do you think he always folds ATs otr to two streets from you on A turn? seems like you would have some J/Q/K high hands that planned to just c/give up otf that want to bluff turn and riv?
throughout the video i notice your different 3b sizings vs. diff. positions. At 29:50 you 3b 4.5x vs. utg min open. Is that bc it's a min open or bc his flatting range is quite strong from UTG or both?
thx!!
Hi RWE,
I really appreciate your questions!
@ AJhh Cbet Cbetting is going to be a solid play. I don't want to do it because I think my opposition plays better against my range when I have a cbetting range, then when I choose to auto-check. So I can gain an advantage when I check AJs here and find a creative way to play it.
@Calling AT - I think AT and AJ call the river here quite often, but they arent' enough combos to offset the times I lose to AQ. Since he plays offsuit versions of AQ, he has 8 combos of AQ to 2 combos of ATs (and 2 combos of AJs).
@UTG Sizing - I like to make bigger raises in 3-bet pots, because it changes the mathematics and underlying gto strategies very little, but might make players deviate farther for optimal strategies because they are unaware of the underlying mathematics.
Merry Christmas!
thx for the response and merry xmas!
the point about using a non-standard 3b sizing to "throw people off" their learned strategies is quite interesting. Another RIO pro was saying this is why he min opens pre instead of 3x, 2.5x, etc.
First hand With AcK, are you still folding to the river bet without the club blocker?
Second hand you mention you can only 3bet 7-10% of hands preflop against an opponent that is opening 25% of hands from MP. How did you arrive to this approximation?
Third hand you say you always 5bet AA against a 4bet. How weak of a strategy is it to flat 4bets with Aces to strengthen your 4bet calling range?
17:55 with AhJh on 765r, Pio solver has us checking 100% OOP here.
Great Questions!
@AcK, yes I'm not excited but I'm going to be calling all other Ako combos. The Ac blocks 4 likely bluffing combos, so calling is semi suicidal.
@7-10% you can play design a game where the player only 4-bets or folds. This gives bounds on 3-bet % (It's always lower than 4-bet/fold game).
@Flatting AA likely bad when AK is being 4-bet stacked. 93% equity in a 200bb pot is worth roughly 86bbs. If we flat then AK folds somewhere postflop most of the time and we only win 50bbs - 22bbs against it. In my sample sizes flatting AA here was -1000bb/100 worse than jamming. That's big money differences.
@AJhh Interesting, I still don't have a firm grasp of its check/betting ranges. Thanks for the info!
Hey Tyler
Hand 34:20 AKo vs BTN 3b pot.
What do you think about betting ott around 35-40% of the pot for protection and value ? and then consider our action depends on the river.(i think on brick river we can x/c profitably cus we dont block his FDs and some gonna be on his bluffing range).
Hope it make sense.
Hi Michael,
A small blocking bet on the turn (maybe like 15% of the pot) might be viable to protect our equity. If we get much bigger, AK becomes a bad value bet. Our opponent wouldn't necessarilly exploit us when we had AK, but our range would become unbalanced. Close to 100% betting frequency in spots where our range is behind/or even is very exploitable.
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AJs on 765 board: Having a check/raising range doesn't seem very attractive to me. If villain shoves over our check/raise, that means that the top of our range (AA) is only a bluffcatcher againts villains valuerange (77/66/55/76s/98s, 15 combos). Do we really want to use a line that represents a very strong polarized range in a spot where we can't have that many 2 pair+ and villain has pretty much all of those in his range? To me it seems like a spot where we don't want to play a big pot very often whereas villain can have a very profitable polarized range.
Thanks for the video!
We can because he starts out with roughly 20% of hands. 15 combos makes up about 5% of his range. He doesn't have 2 pair+ here enough to worry.
great video.
at 29min, when u discuss QTs and bluffs on river, wouldnt 88-TT also want to bluff river?
You also mention how u dont want to cbet ak sb v co on small paired boards bc he has so many pocket pairs, but versus btn you would cbet a lot a lot. This occurs versus EP as well I guess where you bifurcate your range into betting big pairs for value and checking Ai hi type hands as well as some traps like AA etc?
thx as always
It's possible thought 88 and TT will win at showdown here occasionally. I agree with you on ak on low boards position matters.
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