At min 6 the 97h hand: what about a small lead on K turn !? it seems to be a better card for our range than his and our hand needs protection, i know he can makes our life hell because he can shove but, still, i think a small lead cand be interesting . On the river, i do not know if a lead on that card makes sense because i still think he can bluff(offcourse you've got a much better perspective than me on this point) and i do not feel like 7 of clubs it's a better card for our range than his so it seems better for us to c/call.
Do you mean you would like to be leading your entire range on the turn?
Also, checking your entire range on river? Perhaps it's good to split it there, and lead huge ( perhaps overbet) almost all of our flushes, and bluff a lot, and then check hands weaker than a flush, with some flushes in there a small %.
Yes, i mean leading our entire range on that turn for a small size, as for the river, i do not know how we should play with all our range but i do think we should check this hand.
i dont hate a small lead on the king turn. it really comes down to what his raising strategy is overall. if hes very polarized than leading that card doesnt make much sense. if he isnt than it becomes a lot better.
7c is an interesting river cos we most defintiely have a lot more flushes than he has. people dont raise most flushdraws ip in 3b pots, but we certainly will at least bet call alot of our flushdraws on the flop unless we jam some of those . that being said i still feel like checking 97 is probably the better play just given the blockers we have to his thinn value flop raising range . ppl perceive the river as a good bluffcard as well.
4 minutes in, you squeeze and your cbet is raised on a 468s flop - you say he can play 99 and TT like this. Do you mean he's raising these hands to get them in, or is it just a showdown raise hoping to freeze the action? Either way do you think raising TT here is good? I would be flatting 100% here with those sort of hands so I'm curious to hear why people would raise.
i dont think its very standard to raise those hands, but i have noticed that people raise cbet a lot more frequently than in the past , ever since people having been cbetting wider ranges and for smaller betsizes. i was just assuming those could be part of their range.
I dont think people are really planning on raise calling them since they expect us to usually just call the raise and reevaluate turn. its usually raise for protection/value, but hands they would usually crying call once they get jammed on .
As far as how i rate the play, I dont think we should do it with a 100% frequency but its ok to mix up ur play from time to time there vs high % 3bttors who cbet very depolrized in those spots.
minute 34 with 6s8s, you mention that his range is polarized by the time he arrives to river. How often are you checking TT+ on the deuce turn? It seems that if you're mostly betting that turn with TT+, he's got some 77-JJ that might be interested in betting twice for value, especially if he knows your 3betting range is comprised of suited gappers that might contain 6x. If hes got some 77-JJ value bets for 2 streets, then his range isn't polarized anymore, hence his sizing. You note you have some straights by this river but it doesn't appear to be enough to dissuade him from checking back those pairs.
I noticed a couple regulars utilizing the IP flop raise in 3bet pots. I think its a good move to deny equity against large parts of OOP's 3betting range. Have you implemented this at all?
i can always only refer to frequencies. u never do anything 100%. hands like 10s 99 jj should be bet at a pretty high frequency in these spots but we dont have to do it 100%. u could mix it up with a hand like kk or aa especially aa is better suited for checking this turn at a higher frequency. it needs less protection and u block alot of the floats he could have, whihc means hes going to be betting that turn alot for u.u can then mix a ch r strat and ch c strategy depending how u think ur opponent construct his turn and river betting range.
I said he s most likely polarized in this spot cos out of experience i know very well how lil people valuetbet in these spots. their ranges tend to be very polarized. the only hand i could foresee him vbetting is jj some % of the time.
I dont think theres anything wrong as i mentionned above with raising cbets ip in 3b pots.as with everything else, u should never think in terms of ''Iwould never raise here, or I would never check call here''. u should always mix up ur play with some frequency in most spots. thats why u hear coaches like sauce use the terminology , it could go either way here, quite a bit. widening ur perceived ranges in most spots is gonna be beneficiary to ur game. i see a lot of issues with regulars who dont quite well grasp this concept well.
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How often do you check back this combo? I would basically always cbet it, and either chback weaker Ax, or stronger Ax with FD blocker like AxTs so that we will always have a nice bluffcatcher on most runouts, and we give a free card for less FD combos(they also have less outs).
I see it ended up being a pretty good checkback though :D
Hi , thank you!!
i think ur logic for chosing wether u wanna cbet or check back are sound. I would simply revert to what I was saying earlier. just have in mind ur gonna be playing a mixed strategy with the vast majority of value hands u have on the flop. that means we can both bet and check a10o in that spot. so hand like ak or a10 will both be bet and checked back.
It will allow u to be less predictable and ur opponent can make big mistakes.
Currently still watching the video as I type this (paused it) but you stated on the hand versus Teunuss at 14:00: you flopped top two and c/r the flop OOP. you did not love the 10 turn(some guttys got there as did some better two pairs) and then the river(7) made 4 to a straight(any 9 made a straight) So, you decided to fold two pair but stated "um, if i had like a set, would probably be check calling, some percentage" OK, so you did say some percentage. But my question is, how are sets any different than your current two pair holding? you have the second best two pair combo, so only one two pair combo beats you. In this instance, our bluff catcher is usually going to play very much the same, whether it is bottom two, top two, or a set, no? I mean, somewhere in there you have to draw the line, but we are basically asking ourselves, "does Teunuss have a nine here?" Unless he is shoving sets on the river(which as played would not make much sense) , I dont think our two pair differs from any set combos. So, can you please expand upon why you folded J8 on the J 8 6 10 7 board, but would elect to call with set some of the time?
hey good questions:
my reasoning for stating that I would check call a set some % of the time and fold j8 , is that even though they are very similar hands when it comes to hand strength , u need to draw the line somewhere. If we start check callin 2pair and our set combos we are going to be check calling too often. So picking the naturally stronger bluffcatcher makes sense.
the only problem in this spot is that the river is a big disaster for the vast majority of our get to the river range, so we are going to do a lot of checking. We do have some 9x combos we get to the river with which will be enough to defend vs his jamming range.even if he starts jamming 10x we still should fold our sets almost to 100%.
the only times we should consider calling sets is if his betcalling range on the flop is too wide and he comes to to the river with too many ak aq kqo type of hands.
My main point is, always think about ur overall frequencies and how u can control them. hope this helped
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At min 6 the 97h hand: what about a small lead on K turn !? it seems to be a better card for our range than his and our hand needs protection, i know he can makes our life hell because he can shove but, still, i think a small lead cand be interesting . On the river, i do not know if a lead on that card makes sense because i still think he can bluff(offcourse you've got a much better perspective than me on this point) and i do not feel like 7 of clubs it's a better card for our range than his so it seems better for us to c/call.
Do you mean you would like to be leading your entire range on the turn?
Also, checking your entire range on river? Perhaps it's good to split it there, and lead huge ( perhaps overbet) almost all of our flushes, and bluff a lot, and then check hands weaker than a flush, with some flushes in there a small %.
Yes, i mean leading our entire range on that turn for a small size, as for the river, i do not know how we should play with all our range but i do think we should check this hand.
i dont hate a small lead on the king turn. it really comes down to what his raising strategy is overall. if hes very polarized than leading that card doesnt make much sense. if he isnt than it becomes a lot better.
7c is an interesting river cos we most defintiely have a lot more flushes than he has. people dont raise most flushdraws ip in 3b pots, but we certainly will at least bet call alot of our flushdraws on the flop unless we jam some of those . that being said i still feel like checking 97 is probably the better play just given the blockers we have to his thinn value flop raising range . ppl perceive the river as a good bluffcard as well.
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Am I the only one that felt slowrolled for not seeing what teunuss had in the QQ hand? Come on zaza!!! :)
I'm pretty sure he had 54 for a turned pair plus gutshot . :)
4 minutes in, you squeeze and your cbet is raised on a 468s flop - you say he can play 99 and TT like this. Do you mean he's raising these hands to get them in, or is it just a showdown raise hoping to freeze the action? Either way do you think raising TT here is good? I would be flatting 100% here with those sort of hands so I'm curious to hear why people would raise.
i dont think its very standard to raise those hands, but i have noticed that people raise cbet a lot more frequently than in the past , ever since people having been cbetting wider ranges and for smaller betsizes. i was just assuming those could be part of their range.
I dont think people are really planning on raise calling them since they expect us to usually just call the raise and reevaluate turn. its usually raise for protection/value, but hands they would usually crying call once they get jammed on .
As far as how i rate the play, I dont think we should do it with a 100% frequency but its ok to mix up ur play from time to time there vs high % 3bttors who cbet very depolrized in those spots.
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minute 34 with 6s8s, you mention that his range is polarized by the time he arrives to river. How often are you checking TT+ on the deuce turn? It seems that if you're mostly betting that turn with TT+, he's got some 77-JJ that might be interested in betting twice for value, especially if he knows your 3betting range is comprised of suited gappers that might contain 6x. If hes got some 77-JJ value bets for 2 streets, then his range isn't polarized anymore, hence his sizing. You note you have some straights by this river but it doesn't appear to be enough to dissuade him from checking back those pairs.
I noticed a couple regulars utilizing the IP flop raise in 3bet pots. I think its a good move to deny equity against large parts of OOP's 3betting range. Have you implemented this at all?
i can always only refer to frequencies. u never do anything 100%. hands like 10s 99 jj should be bet at a pretty high frequency in these spots but we dont have to do it 100%. u could mix it up with a hand like kk or aa especially aa is better suited for checking this turn at a higher frequency. it needs less protection and u block alot of the floats he could have, whihc means hes going to be betting that turn alot for u.u can then mix a ch r strat and ch c strategy depending how u think ur opponent construct his turn and river betting range.
I said he s most likely polarized in this spot cos out of experience i know very well how lil people valuetbet in these spots. their ranges tend to be very polarized. the only hand i could foresee him vbetting is jj some % of the time.
I dont think theres anything wrong as i mentionned above with raising cbets ip in 3b pots.as with everything else, u should never think in terms of ''Iwould never raise here, or I would never check call here''. u should always mix up ur play with some frequency in most spots. thats why u hear coaches like sauce use the terminology , it could go either way here, quite a bit. widening ur perceived ranges in most spots is gonna be beneficiary to ur game. i see a lot of issues with regulars who dont quite well grasp this concept well.
Nice vid, Zaza!
@30.45 ATo bottom left:
How often do you check back this combo? I would basically always cbet it, and either chback weaker Ax, or stronger Ax with FD blocker like AxTs so that we will always have a nice bluffcatcher on most runouts, and we give a free card for less FD combos(they also have less outs).
I see it ended up being a pretty good checkback though :D
Thanks!
Hi , thank you!!
i think ur logic for chosing wether u wanna cbet or check back are sound. I would simply revert to what I was saying earlier. just have in mind ur gonna be playing a mixed strategy with the vast majority of value hands u have on the flop. that means we can both bet and check a10o in that spot. so hand like ak or a10 will both be bet and checked back.
It will allow u to be less predictable and ur opponent can make big mistakes.
Currently still watching the video as I type this (paused it) but you stated on the hand versus Teunuss at 14:00: you flopped top two and c/r the flop OOP. you did not love the 10 turn(some guttys got there as did some better two pairs) and then the river(7) made 4 to a straight(any 9 made a straight) So, you decided to fold two pair but stated "um, if i had like a set, would probably be check calling, some percentage" OK, so you did say some percentage. But my question is, how are sets any different than your current two pair holding? you have the second best two pair combo, so only one two pair combo beats you. In this instance, our bluff catcher is usually going to play very much the same, whether it is bottom two, top two, or a set, no? I mean, somewhere in there you have to draw the line, but we are basically asking ourselves, "does Teunuss have a nine here?" Unless he is shoving sets on the river(which as played would not make much sense) , I dont think our two pair differs from any set combos. So, can you please expand upon why you folded J8 on the J 8 6 10 7 board, but would elect to call with set some of the time?
hey good questions:
my reasoning for stating that I would check call a set some % of the time and fold j8 , is that even though they are very similar hands when it comes to hand strength , u need to draw the line somewhere. If we start check callin 2pair and our set combos we are going to be check calling too often. So picking the naturally stronger bluffcatcher makes sense.
the only problem in this spot is that the river is a big disaster for the vast majority of our get to the river range, so we are going to do a lot of checking. We do have some 9x combos we get to the river with which will be enough to defend vs his jamming range.even if he starts jamming 10x we still should fold our sets almost to 100%.
the only times we should consider calling sets is if his betcalling range on the flop is too wide and he comes to to the river with too many ak aq kqo type of hands.
My main point is, always think about ur overall frequencies and how u can control them. hope this helped
Great video.
10:20 min mark - Is it standard for you to peal small pairs OOP to 3b? MP vs BTN - 33
it depends on the 3b size and ur opening size. But it is usually my standard.
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