3 Table $10/$20 6-Max Deep Ante PLO (part 4)

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3 Table $10/$20 6-Max Deep Ante PLO (part 4)

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Phil Galfond

POSTED Dec 22, 2014

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spassewr 10 years, 3 months ago

great video! (as always)

by the way, and this question may have been asked a bunch, but how come sauce doesnt make any PLO vids?

Mikedpalo 10 years, 3 months ago

great vid phil as per usual, keep em comin

@28 mins on the top left, you call actaml's UTG raise and 1/2 pot bet on Ac-Qc-Ts on the btn in a 4 way pot with AQ87 DS (diamonds and hearts). Do you think that this flop call may be a bit too ambitious with the particular combo we have here (dry top 2 with no backdoors)? Seems like when he bets his UTG opening range 4 ways on this board, he probably will have the flopped nuts with KJxx, or be running the KKxx or JJxx blocker bluff, but I think the main problem is that a lot of his blocker bluffs likely are going to have backup draws on this wet board (like KKxx with nut clubs etc., especially since we don't have any clubs in our hand). This means that he can barrel us on bricks and on club turns he can extract from us.

Seems like this call would be better if the Ts was instead the Td or even the Th so that we could at least turn some more equity with those hands instead of just having dry top 2 pr. Perhaps even a better dry 2pr candidate for us to call on this board in this spot would be something like AKQx with the dry Kc (and preferably Ax spades for backup equity on the turn) since that would open up our options to bluff clubs on the turn etc.

Thoughts?

Thanks again

Panthea 10 years, 3 months ago

I guess we should not have a raising or donking range on TT9s.
When we raise, we rarely get it in good. We have so few AT and T9 because of our 3 betting/calling squeeze range from SB. And if we call with our good/medium draws than we should protect it with calling our entire range.
Very difficult spot would like to read more comments about this.

BTW: As already someone said, great Video (as always). TYVM

Pplbamba 10 years, 3 months ago

Alright so bottom right last hand QcJs9h8d
I gave button 60%,$FI50-$4b5,60%-55%
I gave you $FI30-$3b15o
And I gave BB $3b15o
Obviously these are not at all precise but let me know if the you think they might work for the purpose of analysis.

So on the flop it appears you actually have slightly less T+ than they do, they both have about 20% and you have 18%

BB has 37% (T+,kk+:dd,qj+:dd,add) and button 30%
your hand is getting crushed against these ranges, it has 15% against both of them and 32% if only button continues

button has:
T+,jj+:dd,qj+:dd,add,jj!dd!qj+
33% of the time
So assuming pretty tight continuing and very tight bluffing ranges, even just on the part of the button, it looks like you are going to have a very tough time leading this hand given that optimistically you can expect them to continue at least a combined 58% of the time
.37+.33-(.37)(.33) ip against your hand which does very poorly against their hands

I think the interesting aspect of this hand is that BB bet his hand on the flop. This is a very weak hand relative to the texture against two callers and if he is betting all these hands at a high frequency, the range I think he will be capable of defending will be pretty weak overall.

If he is betting ( kk+,t+,qj8,add), this constitutes 60% of his total range and has 60% against your actual hand so I suppose a call is not very bad. However, if you find that he is consistently C-betting this range( kk+,t+,qj8,add) in this spot (kk+, add, and basically the hand you were contemplating leading) and calling off with this range: kk+:dd,t+,qj8+:dd your shove will be very profitable as he will be folding half the time. Of course factors like him sometimes checking rather than c-betting aa-kk:dd speaks even more in favor of a shove.
On the other hand given what a large part of his range KK constitutes, this is actually not all that good of a turn card for you at all. Even though you made your straight, you are actually still an equity dog to his range with 45%. Granted, given that he will not be calling with all these hands it is still profitable, but not nearly as much so as jamming the flop.

Jay Moe 10 years, 3 months ago

On the QJ98 hand what do you think about leading very small, like 450? 3beter would be in a really tough spot with a lot of his overpair range and Button will have wiffed the board a good percentage of the time. You could construct a leading range like this with hands that dont really need a lot of protection, like QJTx, Txxxdd with one or two overs, T9 and weakish draws that have a tough time to continue against a bet from either player. You still have a checking range that has some ATxx and similar strong hands in it, so you are not c/folding all the time. I feel like that is something very few players do, but it can be very effective in 3way pots, where hero is OOP.

JasonCrest 10 years, 2 months ago

At about 10min in regarding your in depth analysis of the turn decision on the kq52ccss board. You say you wouldnt wanna lead kqxx very often because of awkward river situations. I disagree as on this board we are rarely gonna have a bare kq. We are gonna have the bdfd and/or straight outs with it a whole lot. So when a draw hits we can construct our checking range so that it'll be hard for him to bluff profitably. In consequence I like the lead with our actual hand, especially as the club draw is not well represented in our kq range. So it sets up a good spot to induce on a club river if called.

oboltys88 10 years, 2 months ago

QJ89 at 41 min bottom right
It looks like it depends on BB's c-bet range a lot. If he c-bets a more polarized range of ovepairs but not big draws and he will bet-fold a decent chunk of it then check/jam becomes decently +ev. If he c-bets more merged and c-bets big draws like AKQ+NFD, KQJ+FD, QJ8+FD and is planning to bet/call them then check/jam becomes really speculative and maybe -ev.

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