3 Table $5/$10 HU NLHE vs pandorasbux (part 1)
Posted by Kevin Rabichow
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Bring as much footage against pandora as you can. :)
Any particular reason to fold T5o pre against him ?
I think that's just a reflection of my more recent button ranges than an adjustment against him specifically.
blocks all straights damn
(13:30 and 15:00) I'm impressed that you've been able to overcome your impairment that makes fives look like sixes and become a successful poker player.
haha yeah funny :)
From what I can tell over this sample, it doesn't even change the way I'd play my hands, so that seems to help.
Why don't you like to CR 743ttw with 65o? Can you elaborate? :)
Generally speaking, I try to avoid building big pots too often on very dynamic boards from OOP, since our equity is not as high with our value range and we'll have to creatively balance several ranges on too many turns/rivers.
very interesting point kevin, that is fairly difficult, but dont we allow him to valuebet too thin for protection and then check back turn? Seems we lose our opportunity to build pots and let him realize a ton of equity.
Isn't a better strategy to mix in some thinner value hands like 7x with a diamond that protects us on some diamond diamond runouts and then some pair+SD combos that protect us on some straight runouts? Then we cud still raise some of our 65/sets/2pr and bigger, dominating combo draws as well as weaker draws with backdoors?
I just think you have less incentive to c/r on boards that are less dynamic so why restrict yourself to only c/r in those scenario's?
its definitely a very interesting strategic adjustment you have made and one that I definitely do see the merits of given how tough it is to balance on various runouts OOP
i would imagine vs a good opponent they would adjust by 3 barreling vs your flop x/c if you choose to create a polar flop x/r strat. and since presumably your flop x/c occurs at a much higher frequency than your flop x/r, your full flop continuing range would take a bigger EV hit than the benefit received to the top of your range just due to the increased barrels you are going to be facing w/o strong hands to punish it
I'll certainly make an attempt to build balanced x/r ranges on any board if villain is getting out of line with thin value bets on early streets. My choice not to x/r these boards assumes that I'm not facing an opponent like this, since most of the population is reasonably polar.
22:00 table 3 and 42:30 table 2, both spots where you overbet turn which I think I really like with the range that you explained, but I'm wondering how you will be managing the rest of your ranges. Both in general when you use that strategy and also on the two specific boards. Will you be splitting your betting ranges into 2 different sizings or check back all your weak top pairs that you would easily be able to value bet for another sizing in order to bluffcatch river?
On the dry K high board I feel like most regs (and pandora might be an exception there but I'm talking about hu regs in general) won't be bluffing rivers enough for me to want to check back turns strong, so I'm wondering if we might not be leaking value by checking back all those top pairs. (Maybe it depends on how good players will play against a bet check bet line if we are leaking any value or not).
On the 973 2 board with 2 flushdraws I'm also not entirely sure if I'd want an overbetting range. It feels like we just have so many hands that profit from semi bluffing that we would want to bet as many of them as possible, but by chosing the overbet size we restrict ourselves from value betting many thin value hands and therefore can't bluff as much. Unless you are willing to value bet somewhat light with that size also, but you didnt seem to plan on doing so. Also on those very drawy boards most players will have check raising ranges vs a normal sizing, which should aswell discourage us from introducing an overbetting range.
Nice vid as always btw :)
My choice of boards is hoping to accomplish only using one sizing in these spots - ideally I've identified a situation where the big majority of my value range is able to bet this size and I gain EV with those hands while opting to bet/check/bet or check/bet/bet with my other two street hands.
@44 w A9o otr. what about shoving and look to get calls from hands that unblock your bluffing region? you have a ton of hands that are interested in bluffing. you said you're checking back a lot of 1 pair hands otr. maybe your betting range would benefit by going huge?
also, he hasn't looked you up yet when you overbet. so, from a game flow perspective he might be interested in seeing what you're up to? if you shove river, what do you think he should do w/ 7x that unblocks your bluffing region?
your skill is inspiring. thanks.
I appreciate the kind words! I think shoving this spot on the river is the correct idea for my range and I was surprised to find out that hands like A9 or TT prefer this to checking. In game I thought it was too thin but that seems to be incorrect.
7:30 this is a play I didn't see for a long time. what I usually saw OTR are XsXs hands. given his cbet tendencies with small sizing across the majority of boards, which hands (including XsXs) do you expect to benefit most from using a flop bet sizing that changes dramatically OTT (when the nuts is unchanged) ?
as you did 3bet KJ a bit later, I don't mind his play when across the nutted portion of the board you have only the 100% frequency of J8. you are uncapped but your range distribution across the board is much weaker in average than the region of his range that wants to put tons of money OTT... but is this reason enough to start overbetting turn ? What do you expect to be the bottom of his value range ?
when he overbets turn he restricts your calling range to basically to gutter+paired hands or better. against this type range structure I am not sure what his sizing accomplishes. can you detail a bit further what saliences you expect from his strategic options OTR ? in his shoes, would you have a shoving range OTR ?
27:28 you lead small on the 7 turn as your general gameplan. do you consider having a overbetting range on this card also ?
7:30 - I'm pretty confident his play was an exploitative bluff given that he didn't have a nut hand here, but his turn value range probably looks something like QJ+ and on river he might want to choose a smallish size that allows AJ+ to valuebet (40-50% pot ish) or a larger size that's restricted to 99+ (perhaps the size he was going for here)
27:28 - It's not part of my gameplan but I think it's a better strategic option on boards where he's less likely to bet mid pair for protection. This board will have him vbetting some 7x on flop while a board like AKx K would be excellent for overbet leading the turn.
Great video. something I noticed is that c/c a lot of A hi/K hi/ Q hi flush draws on flop/turn when they SD value and c/r more lower FD's to barrel and so they can realize equity. I agree with this logic but doesnt this also bloat pots with weaker FD's and often get us up against a decently strong bluff catcher and stronger flush draws?
I often take the approach you do as well because if you just raise really strong draws and nutted 2pr+ hands, it makes it a easy fold for him with lots of bluffcatchers but curious on ur thoughts. Obviously we also mix in weaker gutters and hands with backdoors, but those hands are much less often dominated by stronger draws when they barrel down.
That's definitely the way I'd approach the flush draw portion of a bluffing range by default. I should usually give myself bluffing hands for flush completing rivers as well and certainly be wary that I'm not overplaying the strength of my draw when it completes (i.e x/r exclusively weak fds when 250bb deep against a range that contains all better fds).
Hey, first game video I watched since rejoining this site for a couple of years. I felt you played super good as a standard, just feel u really missed a bet on the a9 on the river, I mean your entire bluff range misses and if he had 2pair/ sets or over pairs he would definitely be jamming the turn if not re raising the flop, so I think it's like very face up you have the best hand and I think it's an easy over bet jam on the river or a value bet in some way, thinking over bet jam is best given you would probably balance the over bet turn with combo draws and overs and gutshot and nutted hands like sets and 2 pairs. I think k9 q9 and possibly j9 n 109 will look you up in this spot a lot, given you checked back this time it will definitely polarize your range for future and unbalances your range a bit, you may even cost yourself some money on your bluffs in this spot. Other than that, loving the standard just try get the 5 and 6's right. lol ;)
If he fastplays 2pr+ near 100% on board textures like these (where I'm already going to have a big advantage and barrel higher frequency than normal) then he's really in trouble. I did miss a bet here though :)
did you miss a river vbet here, or do you think x/c > bet? @29:13
Yeah I think I should bet this hand and x/c some weaker 7x.
hi nice vid,
i am surprised you didnt valuebet A9 river on 972 3 4, he has so much 7x (most likely) and 9x one pair hands that play that way, and as you mention not too many 2pairs combos (2 pairs flop would have c/r most likely because of his c/r freq, we are only beat by 93s 94s 73s 74s and SO many 7x/9x offsuit hands, it seems not even close to me,
moreover as he c/r a LOT on flops, he should expect you to punish his ch/calling range by barreling a lot post, therefore 70%pot or overshove river seems reasonable
He already said pretty much exactly your point in the vid
A9 was a fistpump river shove for value. Thanks Kevin.
Great Job
Thank you for the good Video!
I have a question about table 3 at around 7:30. (you flop a straight with J8)
You mention that your range is fairly uncapped, I tend to disagree with that, but please correct me if I am wrong.
From alle the possible "nuts" (by that I mean all very good hands like sets+) you don´t have that many.
I assume:
QQ and TT you 3 bet pre.
99 maybe pre 3bet?
KJ pre 3 bet (as seen at the same time 7:30 on table 2)
QTs sometimes 3bet pre?
Which would leave you with:
J8, QT, Q9 and T9, and some 99, for "nuts".
whereas you are missing top 2 sets and the nutstraight.
Or is that what you mean by "fairly uncapped"?
If I am in a similar spot, and go though my range I tend to think that I am capped here.
Or am I being too strict.
I am looking forward to an elaboration on your side.
And again: Thank you for this, and all the other good Videos. They make me think about my game a lot and do no only improve me, but it is also fun, to solve pieces of the puzzle, step by step.
Regards
JP
Thanks for the comment.
The language essentially refers to what you're getting at - my ability to make strong hands within my calling range pre. You're definitely right in pointing out which hands I will and won't have and I think his main advantage on these high boards is the tptk/overpair/big 2pr and set type hands that I can't have. If his sizing appropriately takes advantage of those hand strengths than I understand his choice based on what I'm perceiving to be the range vs range interaction on this board.
I do still have a somewhat easy time making calldown hands vs this sizing line (all offsuit 2prs, half of the straights, Ax flush draws) but looking back I don't think his choices for any street are all that bad. On the 2x turn he can use this sizing with KQ+ quite effectively and on the Ax river he won't want to valuebet anything weaker than flop 2pr which this sizing seems near appropriate for against my range. I'll still be able to shove on him sometimes but that doesn't mean he won't want to size large with his probable value bets.
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