3 Table $5/$10 6-Max Zoom NLHE
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Good to see you back making videos! :) Question, did you play under nickname zazanozaza at Party or was it some admirer of yours? :)
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Great video!
Quick note: HUD is frozen from minute 19 on.
Good to see you back making videos!
In the hand at 12.00, you 3bet 78s and cbet a JT4s flop for 75 into a pot of 200. I would be worried here that with that sizing on that board that I would be inviting him to see a lot of turns on a dynamic board where I may have the stronger range for now but there's a million turn and rivers that are going to make my life hell, so I generally default to checking this sort of board, especially a little deeper. Is this the wrong way to be thinking about it?
I dont think theres anything wrong with having a checking strategy on this board texture. If u play around a lil bit with the betsizings u will notice that the ev of most is pretty close overall. i would stick to whatever u can implement as effectively as u can in game.
I think theres arguments for having both a smaller and bigger sizing on this flop. solely a small smizing and solely a big sizing on this board. Im sure u can come up with strategies where all the combinations of sizings work for this spot.
The smaller size enables u to widen ur cbet range on this flop which also strengthens ur range on a lot of these perceived tough cards to continue like jx 10x, 9x qx etc.
I noticed that you have a fixed openraise sizing compared to the normal sizing i.e decresing by position. What's your reasoning behind this?
i keep playing around with opening sizes to be honest. at the moment im in favour of smaller opening sizes,cos it allows us to open wider and flat more 3bets. it also forces our opponent to play a wider range than he mighht be comfortable with. but i can see good arguemnts for opening tighter in utg mp with a bigger sizing as well. in the end i dont think it really matters that much.
14~17m in on the replayer with the 78s. I agree that this isn't the optimal hand to triple barrel with, but after you check the turn it seems like a good spot for IP to raise the river quite frequently as you're repping one (big) pair very effectively. Including say JT seems thin for value, but not totally implausible that he xb turn with that hand.
I don't play a lot of no limit. Do most regs not have well developed river raising ranges? It just seemed odd that that was something you didn't mention in your discussion of the hand, since you were pretty thorough.
I think it's an important idea here because it seems that ip should have more nut hands (pre. not sure anyone is xb turn with KQ) than oop and (as you discuss) a ton of missed draws that want to bluff. So attacking your mostly cappedness with an expanded value range seems to make a lot of sense here.
I didnt mention a river jamming strategy of button, cos i dont think he can very effectively implement it. if anything my range is more uncapped than his is. With stacks this deep on the turn, i really dont think that checking back strong hands should be part of our game. unless u have some sort of read that ur gonna get bluffed into on the river at a too high frequency by a bet check bet line, or sb pays off the raise too often. Most of the time the hands that take the bet check bet line for value, are gonna be hands that can check call turn and check decide river when facing a bet.
For that reason i dont really see a lot of merit for checking back this turn at a high freq to induce a riverbet and introduce a raising strategy.
26.35 - When you are talking about the spot where you check/raise 43s vs UTG on A43s flop, bet Q turn and c/f a 7 river which completes the flush, you say "we can definitely have some flushes here, 25cc,65cc,etc."
It seems to me that when we do have those combos and hit a flush on the river we should never be check/calling, because he has several nut flush combos which always shove, and it seems like its hard for him to find bluffs here unless he's turning AK into a bluff a lot. So I'm wondering how you would play these small flushes - I presume just shoving and hoping he bluffcatches with a set? It just seems hard for either of you to be bluffing when the flush hits the river which would make me nervous with my small flushes, which makes me not want to check raise those weak flush draws in the first place! I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this.
Sorry I see you talked about that spot a little bit more afterwards. I guess what I'm wondering is are there still spots in these games where people just don't really have a bluffing range because of the way the hand played out? I suppose he could bluff AK with the Kc and for that reason we should have a few bluffcatchers but I'd just be worried about spots where he just has so many combos that either have way too much showdown value to start bluffing (stuff like AQ, sets) or are ahead of even our strongest bluffcatchers.
i mean theres ton of spots like that at all limits. i think its only the elite players who will attack u in these spots. it just feels a bit unnatural to jam ak when checked to on the river there for alot of people. we can jam most of our flushes on the river and make money. the ones we decide to check , we should check call as well. i think hands sets are gonna be close, and we should mix it up by check folding some and check calling some, depending on how wide villain plays preflop and how sticky he is postflop. theres ppl who will bet call flop with kj k10 ss type hands here or Kq o Kc or Qc and can bluff those hands on the river when checked to . two pairs will clearly be ch/f on the river here. they r just the bottom of our range .
he cant have the nutflush here which is pretty significant difference .
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small question : min 24, AhKh :
What do you think about checking back the turn with AhKh trying to "realize" our showdown value?
If we double barrel, our showdown value goes down quite a bit versus his calling range i would think, yes we do have equity but it seems to me that we "sacrifice" a lot of showdown value making the double barrel here.
How many vids are you planning to do for RIO?
Thanks and cant wait for the next vids!
With ranges being this wide preflop , i think that we should bet turn with such a high equity hand. theres also quite a bit of weaker draws he has in his range that have to continue here.
i will make 12 more videos for now. see what happens and how it goes until then.
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Zaza - were most of the results from your graph at 5 minutes from 5/10 or 2/5? I'm assuming 5/10 didn't run enough for you to get all the hands in at that stake on stars. Just wondering!
500 zoom is about 40% of the volume. then 30% is 1knl and the rest is a mix of 2k and 5k.
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You 3b 93s and bet 200 into 200 on Tc7c3x
You talk about having multiple sizings on this flop, a bigger one with QQ+ and a smaller one with hands like Tx, AK. However, you don't talk about how you split your bluffs in both ranges. I've noticed multiple instructors skip over how they split their bluffing range here, which can imo is more interesting and the hard part of the equation. Curious to hear your thoughts
as i talked about earlier in the thread u can balance 2 betsizes here. it comes down to what ur 3b range is preflop aswell to how u should construct ur range distribution on the flop. u could mainly have a bigger size on the flop and mix in a smaller size at a lower frequency. it all depends on that how u should mix ur range here. i dont think u should use multiple betsizings on the flop unless u really thought about how to distribute bluffs and ur value range with both betsizes.its not up to divulge my entire range in this spot. it would b useless to u anyway. cos the best way to go about this is make one urself.
bluffs u could use for a bigger betsize here could be hands like kq kj qj type hands and smaller size fds 89 type stuff. but like i said, u should make ur own plan here.
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Great video, glad you've joined the team.
thank you. my hud never seems to work anymore, i often play without it these days.
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Welcome Zazano! Nice first video! :)
Hi, at 20:30 with the 65, what do you do on a river blank and what about spade? And if he calls turn, isn't he sort of obligated to call river with any showdown value pair+? And should you in this spot ever c/r an 8 and go 3 streets since in my eyes A3 or A4 are the best bluffcatchers for him? I only play PLO and since you just bluff bottom range on blanks and flush blockers on flushes it's not as hard to understand.
u should try to avoid this sort of thinking. decide what sort of hands u wanna call down depending what the river brings. so never make ur decision on the flop or turn as to what hands ur calling down.
we can check raise flop with 8x for sure with some frequency,, but it shouldnt ever be with the plan of going 3 streets. its merely a value protection check raise on the flop.
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Hi Zaza, nice video.
at 41:24 you say that you wouldn't cbet the J9o here vs a regular, this surprised me given you seem to cbet at a pretty high frequency IP, with all the bdsd's and a K73ds flop btn vs bb am i missing something as to why it isn't a good idea to cbet this hand?
Thanks :)
hey, thank you.
its a pretty interesting spot. if bb 3b depolarized in this spot ( k10s+kqo+) but defends farily tight vs our 2.5x -3x open on the button, we can cbet a bit wider than under other circumstances. j9o j9s type of hands will always be good candidates for a cbet given their equity and also how they block bb value range. to sum it up u are correct in saying this is a good hand to cbet the flop with. just dont do it 100% cos thats gonna be too wide.
really great vid and awesome content :)
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Welcome to RIO! Used to watch all of your vids on Iveyleague as well!
Had a question about the ATs hand at the 25min mark. You chkb on 678 and pot the 2 ott. I understand the flop chk, but not so much the turn bet. Can you go into that a little more? I'm not exactly sure what it accomplishes and can't find any better hands that fold. I would think that if you were to bet turn, you would want to make it a small size?
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under other cirumstances , like btt vs bb a10 has alot more showdown value than it has here. co vs sb ur gonna be facing a flatting range that is pretty narrow. its gonna vary from 2-8% , depending wether sb plays a mixed strategy pre or not.
that range is so tight that our hand doesnt have as much showdown value as perceived.
another reason why we can bet turn very big is that alot of our value range can check back this flop texture given sb has all 3 sets in his range. although he has other pps in his range that dont make a set and some overcards with gutshots and bkfds we cant really bet a hand like aa for 3 streets here on the majority of runouts.
we will be checking 10-aa with some frequency which means we can bet turn wider cos our value range is wider than it normally is in delay cbet spots.
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Around 6min 30 with regards to the Kxxxx board you mention "checking to protect against the bet/check/bet line shouldn't be a priority" - yet it seems the vast majority of players do this? Or is it possible there is a bias to how I see the meta and others disagree entirely with my view?
It's a spot where you can/should value bet QQ in theory the times you take a cbet flop over check line (as you mention) on the river. But since villain is just checking every Kx to you it seems like a pretty clear check. What do you think?
the main issue with checking every kx on the river i have is that we arent gonna make any thinn valuebets. the 2nd point is that given the flop texture and positions , we are gonna be cbetting this flop pretty wide. alot of people will cbet many pairs here for value and protection on the flop, and those r typically the hands u are gonna show up with on the river taking this bet check line ip. so checking doesnt really make sense with every k x.
another important factor u missed is the fact that we are uncapped as bb . where as the cbettor is capped to a degree. not completely but its not llike a very common line to bet ch bet flushdraws ip. this means the chance of us being raised is pretty slim to none on the river by the cbttor.this enables us to bet the river for different betsizes. i think that we should definitely have some kx in our checking range for some sort of protection, otherwise we become a lil bit too attackable, but checking every single kx for that reason on the river is just overadjusting. ur not really exploiting anyth by doing that. I mean u are trying to exploit them by checking river, but what im saying is, that u wont succeed in doing so, cos villain wont bet ch bet enough as a bluff or for too thinn value.
great video. nice to have you on RIO.
at 23min,
with akhh on 3h3d2d9h, you bet turn for 90 into 110. I think this is way too big for your hand and should be bet smaller as this is a thin valuebet and this folds mostly worse hands.
at 48min, with AJcc on river, im not sure about using shove size on river on J54QA.
Are you turning Jx into a bluff here to balance that? You do not have enough bluffs for this size I believe. He will be shoving river a lot so we may be even overfolding turn (Like all 66-TT probably folds).
thank you.
akhh is a spot we can adopt a couple betsizes. i ran a few simulations and it seems that having one betsize gives this hand a smaller ev than mixing ur betsizing between a smaller one and a bigger one. that being said once u mix bettin this hand for a small or bigger size doesnt really change its ev at all. it stays very close . its also good to have it in ur bigger sized group of hands for some %. this is a pretty good advice i can give, its very unlikely a hand is played at a 100% rate the same way, for the same line or the same betsize if u use a more advanced strategy that involves multiple betsizes.
i dont like betting small in this spot, cos his calling range isnt gonna vary very much wether im betting small or big. the hand range he comes to the river with for value doesnt include very many qx that turn top pair and have to check decide the river. he has alot more rivered tp with ak a10 random suited aces he could 3b preflop and play this way. for that reason betting small to make his life harder with his weaker bluffcatchers doesnt really make too much sense.
zaza, thanks for reply. about the AJcc, if we bet too big, then he can fold anything that doesnt beat a value hand (if we are near 100% value). you didnt answer what we will be bluffing to balance this size. You seem to have an expliotative strat that assumes he calls big bets at same rate that he calls small bets
my range is polarized thats why i didnt talk about using a smaller sizing. i obv do have bluffs in my range. most bkd clubs combos, all 76 combos. I think jx is too strong of a hand to be turning into a bluff on this runout and given how our get to the river range is contructed.We will be able to bluff the 5x.combos we get to the river with, and all the floats that had bkld clubs.
using a smaller betsize implies an imbalance in his river strategy here. ur basically saying he only checks the river with weak holdings like qx or jx and never has anythin better. against such a strategy betting small would make more sense for sure. i think hes a decent regular who will be capable of checking the river with hands like qj 54 kq kj with the plan of check calling them some % of the time.
i think its just a factor of our bluffs versus value bets. If we shove and we simply dont have enough bluffs, he can fold all bluff catchers
well yes,its a factor of how many bluffs versus valuebets we have. if we valuebet only 2p or better on the river, which seems to be a pretty good plan given how the board ran out and what we should expect his ch c range to be here. theres less than pot left on the river, so its not like we can bluff the river for a million combos and be unexploitable. if ur valzue range is 2p plus here, than starting to turn jx into a bluff is only good if u think that he has no check calling range here and that we can just autoprofit by always jamming.
idk why u keep mentionning we r imbalanced. if we bluff all 76s , 75s 65s, 86 cc 910s, that will roughly be enough to have a balanced betting strategy on the river.
Zaza! Welcome to the team!
I was extremely happy to hear you talk about how a large part of your decision to come to RIO instead of elsewhere was due to the community.
Years ago, there was a trend for a short while where many members would skip making positive comments on videos and would only post when they had a complaint or critique. I talked to several great pros who quit video making in large part because it was no longer fun and rewarding for them.
I've tried to explain before to members how interaction with pros had more of an impact than they realize. Over time, our members gave more well thought out feedback and I've been very happy with how the community has progressed.
This is why I'm especially thrilled with your discussion of community. You're the perfect example of someone who makes videos primarily because you love doing it. Almost all of the best video makers are this way, and a great community is what makes the process so fun and rewarding.
To the members: This is what happens when you guys put effort into your video questions and comments and into the forums, and when you let the pros know when they've helped you. We get to sign Zaza!
Keep up the good work, everyone :)
thanks Phil, glad to be a part of it.
Welcome back Zaza. I have been following you since the IveyLeague! I do enjoy your approach of the game. Congratulations for the wedding and all the best.
Thank you sir
A bit late to the party but great stuff Zaza.
~ 25-00 top left table
Zaza, you cbet small w/ AKxx on K42ss 3way vs BTN & BB.
What are your thoughts on cbetting larger less frequently?
Doesn`t small cbet provide BB way too good price to proceed when BTN stays in the pot and does your sizing imply you would still cbet QQ-TT with a high freq 3way as well as many of Ax in your range?
i think u can adopt a strategy where u bet bigger for a smaller frequency just as well as u can adopt a larger cbet frequency with a smaller size. I dont really think people adfjust their calling ranges vs cbets in 3 way pots based on betsizing. I wouldnt bet qq jj , even for the smaller size cos they have too much sdv and equity vs most off suit broadway hands of villains, where as hands like 55 33 66 with a spade are good candidates to cbet and continue barreling on some good turns.
Hi zaza, awesome video!
this might be a bit of a newbie question but ... :D
you state that T5s bb vs bu is a fold vs 2.75x open but at the same
time you defend Q5s vs 2.5x CO open. I am not a NL player so to me this doesnt make a ton of sense. (in the actual hand you 3b! T5s and state that this is spew and folding is standard).
Great video!
my question: why to jam the AJ Two Pair at 49:00 (Table 3) instead of betting smaller to get thin value from weaker hands? Almost no hand that's weaker than AJ can call this jam... would be interesting to hear deeper thoughts about that hand (especially the river)
thanks a lot for that great content!!
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