3 Table $.5/$1 6-Max Zoom PLO Live Session
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nice vid!
Do you minbet your whole range OTF AKJs in 3bet pot? bet/fold AAK?
Thx,
Depends on both our preflopranges, villains tendencies and dynamics between us. But I´d generally cbet very small on AKJs after 3betting and I could see myself folding vs a ps raise with no extras / blockerpotential.
10:08, upper left table: wow great call! what made you call, the suspicious click raise ott? I think you have to have some read(maybe a population read?) to make the call OTR? what range do you assign him on the turn and the river??
10:09: Well I guess that fact that he just called you c/r otf has something to do with yours calldown OTT and OTR?
Hey zuzu,
I´m nut sure you relized I´ve got the nuts?
No didn't lol my bad :), you say just call in case he has the blockers, because you allow him the oppotunity to bluff with blockers, which otherwise might just check-fold river?
thx
yes. but not check-fold river rather fold vs my turnshove which would be very bad if he´d always barrel a blanc river.
you're OOP got it man
thx :)
np =)
Would you mind sharing your zoom stats with us? I feel like I'm playing a bit tighter then I should (and tighter than you are) with something like 22/15/6 with agg 2.9 and 34%. Thanks! (loving the vids btw!)
Hey,
Ofc I don´t mind sharing my stats, but I´m on my laptop and have only 15k hands of 2-5 zoom where I played 26/16/4.4, 2.66AF and 26,5 WTSD. I think i tightend up considerably over the last few months since I feel that on 2-5 pleople 3bet very much and play very aggressive/stick postflop but my 3bet is little higher again maybe about 6-7%.
I think on lower stakes you can get away with playing little more hands and more aggressive overall but I don´t want to encurage you to play more loosely just because you feel that you have to and jump in many spots where you don´t feel confortable. I think with time and experience the extra hands that you can play will feel natural from alone and you don´t have to force it.(glad you liked the vids btw :)
Hi,
nice vid. Some interesting spots. I like that you sat out to talk about the hands in depth.
24min KKJ8ds - I think it is close. I had to assign villain a 5% 4betting range (my own macro) or the PJ range ($3bi6,AA) to give you the required 37% equity to stack off. Vs ($3bi4,AA) we have 32% and vs (AA,AKK) we have 27%. Given that we already had 67 hands on passive fishy looking villain (VPIP/PFR 43/14) I think I would lean more towards an AA heavy 4bet range.
Vs total unknown what 4betting range do you assign villain in a BvB situation?
33:35 K954ssk - you fold vs BN minraise, judging from your previous vids I think you would normally have played this?
Regards!
Hey unbuwoha,
thx a lot for the feedback, rly appreciated it.
what is $3bi6,AA/$3bi4,AA ?
so given your analisys what line do you think is best with the KKJ8ds ? I find it kind of hard to come to a solution.
Generally I´d expect a more AA havy range on lower stakes but I think overall against an unknow - without any dynamic or him knowing anythinkg about my 3betting tendencies obv- I´d assume that he´ll be 4betting pretty tight but still not surpised to see hands like AKT5ds AKKx ds KKT9ss or QQJ9ds and ocasionally maybe likes of T876ds or 8776ds and Axxx ds with 3 connected mid to low cards like A764ds(or some kind of spass / tilt play is ofc also possible). If I had to guess on 05/1 zoom I´s probably say little over 90% aces in that situation taking into account that I have no ace in my hand.
33:35: I tried to tighten up just a little bit from the blinds but I think this hand is still a call.
The Pokerjuice ranges (https://pokerjuice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/categories/200116138-PokerJuice-Preflop-Ranges) are for download and you can integrate them as a macro in PPT Odds Oracle. This link leads to the how to: https://pokerjuice.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201943998-Download-all-ranges
I did not check the page for some time, they now have the 4bet ranges for download, too. I did not know that at the time of my post, so I used the "3bet 6% in position" range ($3b6i). The PJ ranges are more thought out than the PPTOO % ranges imho. ($3b6i,AA) just includes all the AA combos that were not included in the $3b6i range.
However, a 5% 4bet range has around 50% AA combos in it without giving you a hand. Given that you block KK and J8 (for middling rundowns) it is even more likely that villain has AA.
I just downloaded the PJ 4bet ranges. Here are some numbers in PPTOO.
P2: Kc8cKdJd
Range P1 - How often P1 match range AA - Equity P2 OTF (board:9h7h4c)
$4b3 - 89.5% - 30%
$4b4 - 77.5% - 33.5%
$4b5 - 68% - 35%
$4b6 - 61% - 37%
I have not played $1 zoom yet, so I cannot say anything about the player pool. But just judging from the few stats we had on villain I would have folded OTF. ... I know, easy to say when you see villain's hand afterwards :-)
Thx for your analisys. I diden´t know that you can downlaod ranges, pretty cool stuff.
Seeing your calulations a flop fold seems to be the best play. Do you think a fold preflop is on option? let say for example against a 3-4% range?
I guess our EV increases the more non AA hands villain has. I would probably not fold vs a 3% range. To calculate our EV vs wider 4bet ranges is on my to do list as well as figuring out exactly what kind of flops we can stack off then...
Hey Stefan ,
Could You please share your thoughts when you are c/f QJ98ds on AJ8hh board at 21:30.
I get the fold if u are not the initial raiser.
Is b/f fine if get raised.
Hey rims,
I just feel like 4 way my hand is a little bit to weak to continue against a ps bet.
The problem with calling is that his range is (or should be very strong) and I have only 3nut outs. When I hit flush or FH ott and he barrels it´s a tricky spot and defenetly not a lot of ev to be made. And when the turn blancs we will barrel close to 100% and I will have to fold.
unbu: what does P2: Kc8cKdJd
Range P1 - How often P1 match
range AA - Equity P2 OTF (board:9h7h4c)
$4b3 - 89.5% - 30%
$4b4 - 77.5% - 33.5%
$4b5 - 68% - 35%
$4b6 - 61% - 37%
Mean exactly? how do I understand and read the number and what can we conclude if these numbers is 100% accurate??
thx in advance
ahh I guess it mean average EQ OTF vs. the PJ-ranges e.g. vs. a $4b3, P2: Kc8cKdJd has 30% EQ 89.5% of the time?I think it is 30% against a range that consists of 89.5% AAxx`?
Umbu: you can now use the 4b feature in PJ to see whether you can call the 4b IP :)
quite shocked at the fold at 21 with bottom two second nut fd and a gutshot.
hey guizzz,
I´ve already talked about that fold above.
upper left table 28:56: why are you cheking back, pot control?, I mean don't we have to bet for protection vs. FD's and we might even get AAxx hand to fold??
thx.
hey,
I don´t think that either of them has AAxx very often/folds it on the flop so that not a big argument for betting imo.
Overall I´m not quite sure about thats spot but given that the CO has a tight range I feel like my hand is actually a little to weak to bet for protection and I also don´t wanna bet it as a semibluff given that I have no heart.
So I just prefer to take a free turn ip and probaly fold a lot unimproved.
hey,
I am only just beginning to learn PLO so this may seem like an absurd question. Never the less, at 6:38 approx on the bottom left you talk about not wanting to bet the flop with top set and up and down straight draw because you can't call a re raise. Can you not just go with this hand? Obviously a made straight is a huge possibility but with the potential for flush draws and maybe even other sets re raising is it not a profitable move to bet and go with it? Again I am new to PLO and my thinking may be well off.
Hey,
I don´t have a str8 draw. 5way noone with a weaker set or FD would raise the flop. So I´d get it in against str8 and maybe set + nutF but the problem is with the 5 and the 4 in my hand my equity against a str8 becoms much worse.
Hi,
Nice video. Thanks for sharing your thought process. I like that you find it easy to recognize when you are not sure about a certain spot. Do you review the hands after the session? If yes, what is your approach?
I am wondering about two hands:
- at ~34:45 - you fold AQT4ss (to A) IP (OTB) versus what looks a loose opener?
- same at 44:50 with AQJ5ss (toA) IP vs. UTG loose opener?
You note that these are close spots. I had the impression that ABBxss (toA) are profitable IP (as flats/ or 3bs in specific spots). Can you elaborate more on these kind of hands?
Hey, thx for you feedback and questions.
Generally I´d say that flat calling IP are for me the most difficult spots as far as preflop play goes. I used to flat more IP but I got the feeling that I was leaking money in that spots (altough I wasen´t and am still not certain if it´s true or not), so I started to flat a little tighter and when in doubt I usually fold.
The AQT4: I said this before and I might overvalue it but I feel tht having 3 of a suit really hurts the value/playability of the hand. With just 2 spades I´d like a call.
AQJ5: Would have prefered a call not sure why I folded.
Some general toughts on ABBxss hands:
It´s much better with a K.
They don´t play well against very tight ranges.
It´s very helpful if the small card is connected with the A because the additional wheel GSD can make a big diffrence.
It´s also a little helpful if the ace and the small card is suited because you leave more high FD´s in your opponents range.
At 8:30 in this situation are you always calling down your K-high + overpair FDs OOP? I mean, what is your plan when the boards bricks out entirely (as it did)? Calling down two bets, just to fold when you don't hit your nine-outer seems like a -EV play.
Will this particular player [or the average random player, since it seems like you don't have stats for this player] for sure double you up if you hit your flush? Is that why you are comfortable x/calling all the way?
Hey Huff,
You undervalue my hand pretty hard. I have much more good cards then 9, like hitting a K a 5 a Q a J can be good, on a T,9 or A I could bluff and sometimes like this time a 8 hits but villain checks back AQxx and I just win.
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