3 Table $.50/$1 6-Max Zoom PLO Live session
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Good to have you back stevisstoned.
You say it's a standard 3b and standard cbet, is it also a standard get it in if raised? why/why not?
Thx in advance.
Zuzupet
Hey Zuzu,
I´d fold vs a raise because I think that I don´t have enought equity against his raising range which probably contains either a better made hand or a better draw most of the time.
I'm not really qualified to express an opinion but with the underfull at 51.40 wo any reads I think it was a tight but good fold...I think a flush would be happy just to check it down OTR. The puzzler is why he would just flat OTT though
Hi Stefan,
thx for the very interesting vid. This time I have lots of questions:
2:40 Can you give some reasoning for squeezing 9975ds 4way oop. Expecting a mw pot frequently aren't we getting ourself in a lot of marginal situations, e.g. whenever we hit a FD (+P/+GS)?
5:20 A986ss is a fold vs the 4bet, unless you plan to stack off on any Ace (which means villain had to 4bet VERY wide). Even A986ds would be a fold in that situation with a target SPR of 0.5. That is why I dislike the 3bet in the first place vs unknown MP opener being on the button with a good multiway hand.
18:40 Vbetting our FH OTR 3/4 ps after cbetting F+Tu <50%. What hands and how often do we bluff 3 streets without having SD value? I was just thinking after the Ace hit I would fold lots of unimproved trips OTR being in villain's shoes vs our big sizing. What do you think of a sucker bet (~1/4th ps) to get called by weak trips.
19:38 Fold QQJ3 on TT3r to the cbet?
46:00 Underfull OTR after FD completes. Does a small (~1/4th ps) vbet make sense here? Our ch/r range should not have many bluffs on this river. We may get looked up by Txxx or some flushes.
Please, would you tell me what is the 3rd stat in the 2nd line, after VPIP/PFR.
Ciao!
Hey unbuwoha,
thx for all the questions and the feedback.
2:40 I decided to SQ here because :- it looks like the other 3 guys could have pretty wide ranges against which my hand does pretty well ev wise, - I might get some folds pre, - sometimes I will be able to steal the pot because people put me on AAxx, if I hit a strong hand I expect to action a decent amount of the time, - I can balance my squeezing range.
5:20: Could you explain why?
18:40: I don´t really like the sucker bet because I want to keep some bluffs in my range (even if I have only very few). I agree the 3/4 is too big and looking at it now I´d prefer betting 13$ to give him a decision with trips.
19:38: Unintentional fold.
46:00: Like the idea of betting small of the river. It´s kind of a expletive play which cannot easily be exploited it seems to me.
3rd stat is Steal.
greets
A986ss:
A while ago I ran a sim having A986ds 3betting to 12BB facing a ps 4bet from AA (1.5BB dead money). Hero needed ~32% equity OTF. He had the required equity 58.4% of the time. When having the required equity his average equity was 53.6%. It resultet in an overall EV of +1.1BB pre rake and -0.5BB post PLO50 Stars rake. Since that is barely break even I conluded that the call with ss A986 in an even lower SPR scenario would be worse EV wise.
I just ran a sim. You 3bet to 15.5BB with 5BB dead money and villain 4bets to 51.5BB with a range "AA,AKK$ds". I gave villain 0.5BB more for 100BB effective stacks. We need 23.7% equity OTF to stack off. We have that equity 62.3% of the time (20000 trials). When we have the required equity our average equity is 48.2% (50000 trials). Our EV is -4.7BB pre rake (-6.2BB rake PLO50 Stars). That is our best case scenario when we play perfect post flop. Villain always does, because he can push any flop unexploitably. We need to distinguish our 23% equity hands from the 25% equity hands.
@unuwoho EV - 4.7bb seems better than our -15bb when we fold, no?
19min you snap call a 3B from a 30/15/6 with J432s. Seems like a pretty bad hand to go to war with against a tight range.
The 22 fold seems fine. I don't think players at this level are valuebetting a nut flush and he can't have air.
Hey 4FT,
I think the J432ss is just good enough to call here with decent equity and the positional advantage the compensate the poor playability.
@unbuwoha,
Thx for the insight about the hand, I was pretty confident I could call there. Could you do 1 more sim with adding AKKx ss and rainbow + ABBBds + some KKxxds into his range and see how the results change?
Villain (100BB eff) has now the following 4betting range: "(AA,AKK)!RRR,A$B$B$B$ds,(KK[54+],KK[64+],KK[74+],KK[95+],KK[T+][J+])$ds"
We have the required equity to stack off 64.6% of the time (50000 trials). Our average equity is 50% (100000 trials). The EV is -1.1BB pre rake (-2.7BB rake PLO50). To clarify, when we fold to the 4bet we would lose our 3bet of 15.5BB. When we call the 4bet we lose 16.6BB+rake on average.
Our EV is better vs. the 2nd range mainly because of the many KKxx combos, but I doubt an unknown would 4bet many non KKAx hands, because a squeezing range vs MP + caller should not be too wide imho.
Thx a lot for the sim! Very interesting for me because it´s so counter intuitive that we can´t make money on the flop given that we still have a decision and villain doesn´t.
hey stefan i noticed that you flopped bottom set twice in SR pots and raised their c bet both times. do you ever consider just calling with bottom/middle sets in those spots to protect your calling range?. i feel as if if you are always raising bottom/middle set then you are far more waited towards drawing hands when you are call c bets and therefore can be relentlessly barreled when the board bricks or pairs.
also i figure you will run into a higher set some of the time and lose the maximum.
Hey Locke,
I often times just call a cbet with bot/mid set for all the reasons you stated, maybe would it even call my default play or the play I do with the highest frequency. Reasons to c/r bottom set are for example when the flop hits my range much harder as the preflop aggressors and therefore I want to be c/r´ing a wide range which I want to strengthen by putting low set into it . Also if it´s very unlikely that villain has a higher set I will be raising more often.
thanks for the reply stefan :)
np man =)
Just curious, what is you reasoning determing whether to 3b and call a 4b or calling and play a singleraised pot here?Thx in advance
Hey Zuzu,
I´d say the main factor is villains opening range. The tighter the more likely I´d be to just flat. Other reasons to 3bet might be if villain has some exploitable post flop tendencies. Against a 4bet I´d often fold except if there´s a very aggressive dynamic between me and him and it´s steal/re-steal situation.
"I´d say the main factor is villains opening range. The tighter the more likely I´d be to just flat. Other reasons to 3bet might be if villain has some exploitable post flop tendencies. Against a 4bet I´d often fold except if there´s a very aggressive dynamic between me and him and it´s steal/re-steal situation."
Thx was the answer I was looking for..
Keep them essential videos coming..
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