Hi Cameron, great video as usual. I notice you like to not continuation bet a proportion of your flush draws on the flop. You will x/c flop or check behind. Is this purely for deception as when you hit your hand people never put you on a flush? I don't see this play often and I am wondering if it is something I should be doing more? I always thought we should be betting flops where we have good equity such as 1 or 2 overs and a flush draw. Particularly with nut draws, where we can get value from smaller flush draws? Is it just regs you will do this with?
It is super important to have at least some FD's in your ch/c or check back range otherwise you're open to getting owned on turns completing flushes when we check either IP or OOP if we never check FD's, especially vs attentive opponents.
It is as you and psek1 alluded to. It's important to be able to have some strong hands (in this case flushes) on various textures/board runouts otherwise our opponents could play extremely well versus us and attack our weak/capped range. Versus fish or weaker players I'm going to be much more inclined to bet all value/ high equity- non SDV holdings as there is value in building a pot with nut-draws as you mentioned. I would look to incorporate this into your game, especially vs more competent or aggressive opponents. You can use FD's that have some sort of SDV or are able to call more turns unimproved (ie. pair + FD or A-high FDs).
I need to start using this idea more as well. I guess I would wonder how do you decide when it is a good time to incorporate this? Use a pre-determined frequency maybe? Like if you are in a pot vs.a reg and have a flush draw and you want to check/call 1/4 of the time look at your watch and if the second hand is in the first quarter do this, otherwise bet? And how do we decide what a good proportion to do this with is? Maybe dependent on the opponents aggressiveness?
Hey! Thanks for the videos. Looking forward to the next.
One question at ~3.35 when you are 3bet from the btn with AJo. Would you considering turning this hand into a 4-bet bluff, or is this just overkill at these stakes? As you mentioned it is near the bottom of your UTG opening range, and it also does have a A blocker.
It's one of if not my weakest Axo open from UTG so I prefer to fold AJo here (you don't have to defend your UTG opens too wide as your range is pretty strong and the rest of the table will share that burden). Also, our value-range is extremely narrow here (KK+ or maybe only AA vs some) which means we can't be bluffing too wide. However, if villain is 3betting very wide (wide enough that you can flat AQo UTG for example), then you could consider using AJo as a 4b bluff from UTG.
At ~11mins where we cold 4B KK vs the regular who 3B's vs UTG, how frequently would we be C4B bluffing this spot w/o reads? Is it better to ever cold call the 3B w/whole range here readless? At 50NL I think most people will overfold this spot so is it possibly more +EV to flat? Or for the reason we will be given a lot of credit, is this a spot you would be looking to C4B bluff and with what ratio of bluff:value would you estimate your range to consist of here?
I think you're referring to the AKo hand on the bottom left table? (sorry - I also said KK in-game). These spots will largely depend on the situation: how wide UTG is and how he reacts to 3bs, are there any fish in the pot OR fish behind, how wide BTN is squeezing here etc. If you're happy to cold4b/call (get it in) with [QQ+, AK], then you could add some AQ, AJs combos into your cold4b/fold (bluff) range. That said, don't get too carried away with it as people will tend to be fairly strong in these positions and I'd prefer to be imbalanced towards value here, especially in the micros.
Btw, at 13:47, I don't really agree with you that he's checking/calling more than checking/raising this really wet turn. And this turn was a particullary good card for you, and it would be nice to check back and realize your equity.
@ 5:30 KQ - After cbetting T62 rainbow, what is our plan on the river after barreling an A turn? I would assume you want to go 3 here as we can probably fold out any T or stubborn PP's otf, what I'm most worried about when 3 barreling any A turn/blank river is his range, can't he have a lot of ace high calls otf? AQ(we block)/AJ/flatted AK rarely(we block)/a-xs stuff for calling such a dry board? We are assuming no reads. I struggle in these spots where villain can call with ace high stuff and debating barreling ace turns, especially bvb when raising in the sb, bb flats, we cbet a dry lowcard flop and turn comes an A. I struggle with going 2 and especially 3 here as well as this 3bet pot ^^.
Same hand - What is our plan on the river after barreling 9 turns? Are you going 3 any A, K(value), Q(value), J (value)? What about an 8 river?
I would like some reads as to what they get to the turn and river with (how wide their range is, fold cb OTF/OTT, WTSD etc) before I empty the clip here. I think population will over-fold on the Ax turn (T62r Ax), meaning their river ranges are probably fairly strong. That said, It's a reasonable 3barrel candidate as it blocks strongest Ax floats while not blocking many of his folds. With regards to 9x turns and X rivers it becomes very tricky. I don't think we can value jam KQ on [T62r 9x] Qx or Kx rivers due to the nature of these games (not getting called by worse enough OTR). I think I would bluff jam on Ax rivers, value-jam on Jx rivers and potentially check-fold on Qx and Kx rivers as people won't value-jam worse or turn pairs into bluffs.
As weird as it may sound, all the 3 and 4betting seems very natural to me (and is very well explained by yourself) but i struggle with some basic cbetting ranges :/.
44:31 You open A4o and don't cbet J73dd. This seems like a fairly dry board, we have a bunch of backdoors. Why is this not a cbet?
49:50 You open J9c SB vs BB and c/fold an A76cc flop, even though you have a ton of cards you can barrel on.
J73dd is a fairly connected texture as any middling cards have some sort of piece: pair, GS, BDFD etc. Our BD's are also pretty weak and I expect him to play-back at this texture relatively often, meaning we shouldn't have too much FE OTF. We also have some SDV with A-high however I would cb with better BDs. J9o is likely a +EV cb there vs population but keep in mind we're going to be massively bluff-heavy on this particular flop. In general, I may miss some spots (cb, float spots etc) as 3-tabling while trying to commentate coherently isn't easy - So do feel free to question/ comment on these sorts of spots.
Looking at j73dd in flopzilla I looked to two % frequencies villains defending (35-55%) here and it's very hard for villain to not fold on this flop at least 66% and he needs to call very deep with ace highs to reach where you wont auto profit. Villain would need to be very nitty before this wasn't a profitable cbet at micros.
Why do you want to shove the 77 on the KQJTAr board vs a fish?
Do you really think a fish folds here enough (or even ever) to make up for the fact that we lose a ton to rake at these limits?
If rake is uncapped then checking back is likely better. If rake is capped just shove every time. I have seen recreational players fold in these spots.
5.23 op i mp w Qts vs co, J34s. Of course your hand have no equity at all, but is this really a clear x/f hand? please explain that little more because a just dont really understand, I think I cbet 100% in spots like this.
5.23 you 3b KQs in bb vs btn. Whats your process in 3b spots, I think a more like to 3b w KQo and call w KQs. what do you think about that? :)
7.18 you call 3b in co w AJs vs bb. On turn is not that a clear bet on turn even if he is a reg, for protectation? becuse w just dont want to se a diamond more on river..
8.48 you flat in bb w 44 vs mp. Are we not going to burn money in the long run to call w 22-55 in blinds vs early position opens?
19.28, 3b w Q6s in bb vs co.flop KJ9s. can you just explain when you say that we are going to xb all our range on flop. I just dont really understand that? for me when you xb that flop you are giving up and V knows that. Why should we even xb a monster on that flop? and how can V put us on a strong range w this line xb flop and bet turn.
how do your flat/3brange i btn vs co changes when that is weak/fishes or regs in the blinds.
You 3b w 45s vs utg op? Is it not better to have like A2s in or 3b range here w blockers instad of 45s?
KQs - BTN is probably opening between 40-60% and KQs is around the 5th percentile of hands, making it a mandatory value-3b in my opinion. You can flat some KQo if villain 4bs wide or you're deeper.
AJs - My turn play will depend on his tendencies and cb strategy. If he's the type to cb JJ-KK OTF then I'd be more inclined to bet turn for value and protection. I assume population is more polarised OTF, somewhat decreasing the need to protect our equity. A small bet would be fine and might be best vs population actually, assuming they don't have much of a turn XR range.
44 - The price is right! Flatting should be higher EV than folding, especially vs weaker opponents.
Q6s - This board is actually very good for CO (typical CO flatting range: http://gyazo.com/0bee35c188e9b780bf2c4c3422b78fe2) which is a function of their broad-way heavy range combined with BBs (my) polarised 3b range. As such, I'll be wanting to check fairly often but continuing at a relatively high frequency.
Flatting wider (including some of my usual 3br) with fish behind. And yes, It's typically better to include A5s > 45s but you need to be cautious on Axx
Anything above 55% would be fairly high. I'd be more inclined to look at overall aggression stats (WWSF, bet vs missed cb, barrel frequencies, raise cb stats etc) to develop an idea as to how they play.
Hi cameron, thanks for the videos really been enjoying your content. I am currently playing 100nl 6 max zoom mainly, some normal tables mixed in, been taking shots at 200nl. You spoke about doing some HH reviews, I would be really keen for you to do this with me. Thanks again
Q6s - This board is actually very good for CO (typical CO flatting range: http://gyazo.com/0bee35c188e9b780bf2c4c3422b78fe2) which is a function of their broad-way heavy range combined with BBs (my) polarised 3b range. As such, I'll be wanting to check fairly often but continuing at a relatively high frequency;
so your are xb the flop to se how he plays. and if he xb flop, you are often cbet turn because we are xb all our range on flop? But why should we xb all our range om that flop? When we bet turn I just cant see how villian can put us on a stronge hand here??
Yes, after checking flop as PFR I'll be leading turn at a reasonable frequency (when flop checks through). If you think about a lot of our range (for example, AK, AA, QQ), we oftentimes can't go for 3 streets given how good the board is for CO and the fact that various turns and rivers will negate the strength of our hand. So when I check flop I will still have some strong hands in my range and I'll be continuing very often vs a bet. Also, we do gain some extra information from villain which is nice.
5.23 3b w KQs vs btn. 26T4o; is this spot never good to go 3barrel bluff and just repp JJ-AA? and if you should have JJ-AA should you consider to xb somewhere in a hand like this?
Yea that could be fine but I would prefer some reads (high fold cb, low WTSD etc). It also depends on your flop c-betitng strategy (for example, is hero c-betting underpairs and X) as we need to keep our frequencies in check.
I decided to pot turn because it's a board that's very good for us (he doesn't have AA, KK or as many AK combos as I will) and he should have plenty of hands to call with because we don't block many of his top pair hands when we hold KK.
40:12 "opening wide cos this guy basically doesn't exist" lol. Going through your vids and they're shit hot but you do consistently incorrectly say what hand you hold at least once per video: not a problem cos we can see your hole cards, just funny. More live play vids please
at 17:19 your calling 66 op only 100 bbs deep. It should be a fold pre 66 doesn't have much playability op. I haven't seen to many 6 max regs call here unless its 3 way.
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Hi Cameron, great video as usual. I notice you like to not continuation bet a proportion of your flush draws on the flop. You will x/c flop or check behind. Is this purely for deception as when you hit your hand people never put you on a flush? I don't see this play often and I am wondering if it is something I should be doing more? I always thought we should be betting flops where we have good equity such as 1 or 2 overs and a flush draw. Particularly with nut draws, where we can get value from smaller flush draws? Is it just regs you will do this with?
It is super important to have at least some FD's in your ch/c or check back range otherwise you're open to getting owned on turns completing flushes when we check either IP or OOP if we never check FD's, especially vs attentive opponents.
It is as you and psek1 alluded to. It's important to be able to have some strong hands (in this case flushes) on various textures/board runouts otherwise our opponents could play extremely well versus us and attack our weak/capped range. Versus fish or weaker players I'm going to be much more inclined to bet all value/ high equity- non SDV holdings as there is value in building a pot with nut-draws as you mentioned. I would look to incorporate this into your game, especially vs more competent or aggressive opponents. You can use FD's that have some sort of SDV or are able to call more turns unimproved (ie. pair + FD or A-high FDs).
I need to start using this idea more as well. I guess I would wonder how do you decide when it is a good time to incorporate this? Use a pre-determined frequency maybe? Like if you are in a pot vs.a reg and have a flush draw and you want to check/call 1/4 of the time look at your watch and if the second hand is in the first quarter do this, otherwise bet? And how do we decide what a good proportion to do this with is? Maybe dependent on the opponents aggressiveness?
Hey! Thanks for the videos. Looking forward to the next.
One question at ~3.35 when you are 3bet from the btn with AJo. Would you considering turning this hand into a 4-bet bluff, or is this just overkill at these stakes? As you mentioned it is near the bottom of your UTG opening range, and it also does have a A blocker.
Thanks again.
Hi Shane,
It's one of if not my weakest Axo open from UTG so I prefer to fold AJo here (you don't have to defend your UTG opens too wide as your range is pretty strong and the rest of the table will share that burden). Also, our value-range is extremely narrow here (KK+ or maybe only AA vs some) which means we can't be bluffing too wide. However, if villain is 3betting very wide (wide enough that you can flat AQo UTG for example), then you could consider using AJo as a 4b bluff from UTG.
At ~11mins where we cold 4B KK vs the regular who 3B's vs UTG, how frequently would we be C4B bluffing this spot w/o reads? Is it better to ever cold call the 3B w/whole range here readless? At 50NL I think most people will overfold this spot so is it possibly more +EV to flat? Or for the reason we will be given a lot of credit, is this a spot you would be looking to C4B bluff and with what ratio of bluff:value would you estimate your range to consist of here?
I think you're referring to the AKo hand on the bottom left table? (sorry - I also said KK in-game). These spots will largely depend on the situation: how wide UTG is and how he reacts to 3bs, are there any fish in the pot OR fish behind, how wide BTN is squeezing here etc. If you're happy to cold4b/call (get it in) with [QQ+, AK], then you could add some AQ, AJs combos into your cold4b/fold (bluff) range. That said, don't get too carried away with it as people will tend to be fairly strong in these positions and I'd prefer to be imbalanced towards value here, especially in the micros.
Nice video! Where can i find that program you use for calculating the odds? Starshopper is it called right?
Starshelper
Aaah that's why i couldn't find it hehe :) Thanks!
Very nice, Cameron!
Btw, at 13:47, I don't really agree with you that he's checking/calling more than checking/raising this really wet turn. And this turn was a particullary good card for you, and it would be nice to check back and realize your equity.
@ 5:30 KQ - After cbetting T62 rainbow, what is our plan on the river after barreling an A turn? I would assume you want to go 3 here as we can probably fold out any T or stubborn PP's otf, what I'm most worried about when 3 barreling any A turn/blank river is his range, can't he have a lot of ace high calls otf? AQ(we block)/AJ/flatted AK rarely(we block)/a-xs stuff for calling such a dry board? We are assuming no reads. I struggle in these spots where villain can call with ace high stuff and debating barreling ace turns, especially bvb when raising in the sb, bb flats, we cbet a dry lowcard flop and turn comes an A. I struggle with going 2 and especially 3 here as well as this 3bet pot ^^.
Same hand - What is our plan on the river after barreling 9 turns? Are you going 3 any A, K(value), Q(value), J (value)? What about an 8 river?
I would like some reads as to what they get to the turn and river with (how wide their range is, fold cb OTF/OTT, WTSD etc) before I empty the clip here. I think population will over-fold on the Ax turn (T62r Ax), meaning their river ranges are probably fairly strong. That said, It's a reasonable 3barrel candidate as it blocks strongest Ax floats while not blocking many of his folds. With regards to 9x turns and X rivers it becomes very tricky. I don't think we can value jam KQ on [T62r 9x] Qx or Kx rivers due to the nature of these games (not getting called by worse enough OTR). I think I would bluff jam on Ax rivers, value-jam on Jx rivers and potentially check-fold on Qx and Kx rivers as people won't value-jam worse or turn pairs into bluffs.
As weird as it may sound, all the 3 and 4betting seems very natural to me (and is very well explained by yourself) but i struggle with some basic cbetting ranges :/.
44:31 You open A4o and don't cbet J73dd. This seems like a fairly dry board, we have a bunch of backdoors. Why is this not a cbet?
49:50 You open J9c SB vs BB and c/fold an A76cc flop, even though you have a ton of cards you can barrel on.
J73dd is a fairly connected texture as any middling cards have some sort of piece: pair, GS, BDFD etc. Our BD's are also pretty weak and I expect him to play-back at this texture relatively often, meaning we shouldn't have too much FE OTF. We also have some SDV with A-high however I would cb with better BDs. J9o is likely a +EV cb there vs population but keep in mind we're going to be massively bluff-heavy on this particular flop. In general, I may miss some spots (cb, float spots etc) as 3-tabling while trying to commentate coherently isn't easy - So do feel free to question/ comment on these sorts of spots.
Looking at j73dd in flopzilla I looked to two % frequencies villains defending (35-55%) here and it's very hard for villain to not fold on this flop at least 66% and he needs to call very deep with ace highs to reach where you wont auto profit. Villain would need to be very nitty before this wasn't a profitable cbet at micros.
Great video!
Cheers!
Why do you want to shove the 77 on the KQJTAr board vs a fish?
Do you really think a fish folds here enough (or even ever) to make up for the fact that we lose a ton to rake at these limits?
If rake is uncapped then checking back is likely better. If rake is capped just shove every time. I have seen recreational players fold in these spots.
5.23 op i mp w Qts vs co, J34s. Of course your hand have no equity at all, but is this really a clear x/f hand? please explain that little more because a just dont really understand, I think I cbet 100% in spots like this.
5.23 you 3b KQs in bb vs btn. Whats your process in 3b spots, I think a more like to 3b w KQo and call w KQs. what do you think about that? :)
7.18 you call 3b in co w AJs vs bb. On turn is not that a clear bet on turn even if he is a reg, for protectation? becuse w just dont want to se a diamond more on river..
8.48 you flat in bb w 44 vs mp. Are we not going to burn money in the long run to call w 22-55 in blinds vs early position opens?
19.28, 3b w Q6s in bb vs co.flop KJ9s. can you just explain when you say that we are going to xb all our range on flop. I just dont really understand that? for me when you xb that flop you are giving up and V knows that. Why should we even xb a monster on that flop? and how can V put us on a strong range w this line xb flop and bet turn.
how do your flat/3brange i btn vs co changes when that is weak/fishes or regs in the blinds.
You 3b w 45s vs utg op? Is it not better to have like A2s in or 3b range here w blockers instad of 45s?
Great video!
QTs - see: http://gyazo.com/6a31fbaf38773abfb2b776cdea7babc3
KQs - BTN is probably opening between 40-60% and KQs is around the 5th percentile of hands, making it a mandatory value-3b in my opinion. You can flat some KQo if villain 4bs wide or you're deeper.
AJs - My turn play will depend on his tendencies and cb strategy. If he's the type to cb JJ-KK OTF then I'd be more inclined to bet turn for value and protection. I assume population is more polarised OTF, somewhat decreasing the need to protect our equity. A small bet would be fine and might be best vs population actually, assuming they don't have much of a turn XR range.
44 - The price is right! Flatting should be higher EV than folding, especially vs weaker opponents.
Q6s - This board is actually very good for CO (typical CO flatting range: http://gyazo.com/0bee35c188e9b780bf2c4c3422b78fe2) which is a function of their broad-way heavy range combined with BBs (my) polarised 3b range. As such, I'll be wanting to check fairly often but continuing at a relatively high frequency.
Flatting wider (including some of my usual 3br) with fish behind. And yes, It's typically better to include A5s > 45s but you need to be cautious on Axx
When you looking in cbet turn whats high in that stats in villians? :)
Anything above 55% would be fairly high. I'd be more inclined to look at overall aggression stats (WWSF, bet vs missed cb, barrel frequencies, raise cb stats etc) to develop an idea as to how they play.
Hi cameron, thanks for the videos really been enjoying your content. I am currently playing 100nl 6 max zoom mainly, some normal tables mixed in, been taking shots at 200nl. You spoke about doing some HH reviews, I would be really keen for you to do this with me. Thanks again
Q6s - This board is actually very good for CO (typical CO flatting range: http://gyazo.com/0bee35c188e9b780bf2c4c3422b78fe2) which is a function of their broad-way heavy range combined with BBs (my) polarised 3b range. As such, I'll be wanting to check fairly often but continuing at a relatively high frequency;
so your are xb the flop to se how he plays. and if he xb flop, you are often cbet turn because we are xb all our range on flop? But why should we xb all our range om that flop? When we bet turn I just cant see how villian can put us on a stronge hand here??
Yes, after checking flop as PFR I'll be leading turn at a reasonable frequency (when flop checks through). If you think about a lot of our range (for example, AK, AA, QQ), we oftentimes can't go for 3 streets given how good the board is for CO and the fact that various turns and rivers will negate the strength of our hand. So when I check flop I will still have some strong hands in my range and I'll be continuing very often vs a bet. Also, we do gain some extra information from villain which is nice.
5.23 3b w KQs vs btn. 26T4o; is this spot never good to go 3barrel bluff and just repp JJ-AA? and if you should have JJ-AA should you consider to xb somewhere in a hand like this?
Yea that could be fine but I would prefer some reads (high fold cb, low WTSD etc). It also depends on your flop c-betitng strategy (for example, is hero c-betting underpairs and X) as we need to keep our frequencies in check.
Can you change the format up for the next video? As much as i love the liveplay videos it would be nice to see a hand history review for a change.
In the works! If not for the next vid the following one.
Terrific series of videos, im learning a lot! Could u advise the software u use for the odds at the table.
Regards.
Cheers! Starshelper
Great video! But do u think zoom tables are softer than regular tables?
I'm choosing between them recently @@
Hey Cameron,
Thanks for the vid. Just signed up on run it once today so I'm really new and not all great with the abbreviations but I had one small question.
Time stamp: 30:11 - Table 1
Why did you continue so strong on the turn with a pot sized bet when you have a set?
Is is because you're trying to maximize value if he has hit his Ax?
Lastly, what did you mean by when you said your Ks dont block any of his continuation range?
Thanks again.
Hey mate, welcome to RIO!
I decided to pot turn because it's a board that's very good for us (he doesn't have AA, KK or as many AK combos as I will) and he should have plenty of hands to call with because we don't block many of his top pair hands when we hold KK.
Where do you got the needed equity% in green from? :)
40:12 "opening wide cos this guy basically doesn't exist" lol. Going through your vids and they're shit hot but you do consistently incorrectly say what hand you hold at least once per video: not a problem cos we can see your hole cards, just funny. More live play vids please
at 17:19 your calling 66 op only 100 bbs deep. It should be a fold pre 66 doesn't have much playability op. I haven't seen to many 6 max regs call here unless its 3 way.
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