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MonkerSolver and $500 Zoom Session

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Richard Gryko

POSTED Apr 11, 2018

Richard Gryko aka raconteur blends the advantages of a PLO500 zoom session review and the deeper analysis of hands in MonkerSolver. Please let Richard know if you like the style of this video and provide suggestions on what you'd like to see in future videos to help guide Richard as he gets in the video making lab this coming week!

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doncamatic 6 years, 11 months ago

Excellent video. Love the format with the sims. Only suggestion I would make is to finish analysing a whole hand before moving onto the next one and rewinding the video to talk about another hand if necessary.

Richard Gryko 6 years, 11 months ago

yep, that's definitely something ill do in future videos, i think i was a little stuck in the mindset of a player skipping between tables as decision points came up.

postwar18 6 years, 11 months ago

I’m curious as to what kind of machine you’re using to run the simulations. Garnering some of that information from the software within a few minutes implies something very powerful

Alien Slayer 6 years, 11 months ago

Good format and just the right pace imo, around 5-6sims /video seems like a good ratio.

I found it quite ironic that you mentioned the brain capacity to first recognize colors before anything else but yet you use a 2colour deck:) I am probably so used to 4 colors that I have serious trouble to read the boards safely and quickly with only red and black all over the place...

To start of this large post with some nitpicking:
Min24 the AT74 : you probably overlooked the fact that you had actually a double gutter which doesn’t change a whole lot but should make betting even more appealing.
In the sim you didn’t exclude T8 , even though once again those hands where mainly checking and your point was that we can bet our actual hand as a pure strategy, so it didn’t invalidated your reasoning.

In general I think you picked interesting spots to analyze but would have really liked to see how the solver approaches the flushing turn spot (min35) in regards of betting range + sizing . On such a board texture it just looks so appealing to bet small with a very high frequency .
Here’s how I would explain my reasoning, in lack of the solver I just don’t know if my conclusion is logical or not...
1. on such a low board which gives the BB a polarity advantage our Flop cbet range is quite strong , consisting of many pair + FD hands or Overpairs with a high heart , besides some strong combo draws and some fairly weak ones like bare GS and BDFD.
2. BB didn’t lead or x/r , so most of his range are probably the mediums that have some good turns but aren’t thrilled to build a big pot OOP
3. We have a big range advantage on the Turn with far more strong flushes then BB - but as you mentioned as well BB has a lot of auto folds and relatively few hands that are elastic in their calling frequency given the price laid.
4. We rarely if ever get raised if BB doesn’t want to screw up his calling range, so we realize all our equity and get a free SD if desired.
So my conclusion would be that we can bet small at a very high frequency with a lot of hands for value , protection with 2p and with weak bluffs like straight draws and delay the polarization to the river where we bluff and vbet around 2/3rd NF or blocker for a large sizing. I recall from Corey ‘s last video that the solver does quite a bit of betting with 2p/ sets on flushing turns as well, so I believe that justifies the small sizing with a somewhat merged range. For balance we can maybe x back Turn with some bad betting hands with SDV like KK9 no heart and some rare overkills like A9+NF or AKhQh5 among weak flushes.

Really curious to hear your thoughts on this one!

Min43 the Turn Probe with K992: given the reasons you mentioned, don’t we prefer a PS sizing here? I feel like the sizing you used leads more likely to that uncomfortable situation where once the first player calls the others get such good odds to flat as well with hands they would have folded otherwise. Like in this case UTG may call your bet with a QQJhh Hand that he would folded vs a PS bet, then the next peels let’s say a A5hh and the last one with 65 or QJT getting a cheap price and all of a sudden almost any River makes someone’s hand. In contrary maybe they all would have folded if we bet PS .

Richard Gryko 6 years, 11 months ago

alien,

haha yeah someone else made same point, i do use 4cd on other sites but just dont really like how it looks on stars.

yeah i did miss the double gutter, basically all AK/AT w bdfd bets anyway but as you say, it obv makes betting even more appealing, esp if assumptions about differences between equilibrium and real world OOP strat are accurate.

re 35min QQ76, while none of your points are illogical in the sense that statements are true and conclusion isnt inconsistent with them, im pretty confident large sizings IP are going to capture most EV on this texture since IP wont have as many hands that make "merged" turn bets (99/55/33 pretty infreq, decent amount of A9/A5 gets chkd back on flop etc) - if board was something like J86ssAs, i could see smaller sizings being more of a thing, although i still wouldnt expect to see them get used at a high freq and it would be as part of a two sizing strat, i dont think monker as IP is going to favour small sizings on flush turns all that often. think of it in terms of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - if we dont have all that many hands that might want to bet small, and we do have a decent amount of polarity, our strategy isnt going to accomodate the subclass that wants to bet small.

edit - i just ran quick chkup, given choice of 33/50/67/100, solver essentially ignores every sizing other than pot on 953A, on J86A, it mixes relatively evenly between 33/100.

re K992, idk, my precise hand prob likes going fullpot, but i think my overall strategy prefers sizing down.

Richard Gryko 6 years, 11 months ago

also, thanks everyone for the positive feedback, seems we have a popular format, im still going to mix it up somewhat but i can definitely make more along these lines if they're well received.

nittyoldman 6 years, 11 months ago

32:25 why do "pocket pairs do well in aggression ranges because they can turn high equity hands"? I would think having a pocket pair in your hand would be a negative thing unless the pair makes for relevant blockers on the texture. Here you have TT on K63r, so they don't do much good for you unless you get a broadway runout...

I liked the format, the mix of monker + live is great

Richard Gryko 6 years, 11 months ago

ok, so this trend isn't absolute and i haven't gotten a complete handle on the underlying logic, but i think it goes along the lines of - ev of chking OOP or calling IP decreases, future street equity distribution polarity increases.

cwil81 6 years, 11 months ago

Ah, you guys beat me to the punch. Yeah, turns on flush boards are one of the few spots we see the two sizings used by IP. However, once a straight rolls off, it drops the smaller sizing and goes polar. Here's what it looks like on the Jh turn though: https://imgur.com/a/ItIZ3

jdstl 6 years, 11 months ago

At minute 6, we 3bet a BTN open from BB and get the J93hh flop. You run two sims, one at SPR 3.7, and one at SPR 4.4. At the shallower SPR, OOP likes to pot/call many naked AA/KK. At the deeper SPR, OOP likes to mix naked AA/KK into small or medium sizings, bet/folding a number of them.

The strategy is very sensitive to SPR as evidenced by the significant shift in sizing by that 3.7 to 4.4 SPR increase. The idea that the overpair portion of OOP's range that has the equity advantage and the playability disadvantage wants to end the betting ASAP and ends up frequently potting to bet/call until it's too deep, when it starts betting 33% or 67% often to bet/fold is intuitive, but it feels like it would be easy to misestimate the point at which the SPR shifts. Any heuristic available to assist in thinking about this? My current rule of thumb is basically just that on dynamic, non-locked down boards, it's around SPR 4. Would like to improve on the way I look at this.

Also, love the tangents. Like Sauce said, you're very articulate, and put a lot of things that 'feel' right in practice into solid theoretical grounds. They're the most valuable part of the video IMO, followed by the side by side Monker stuff, and then the live play which is nice so the presentation isn't dry. I'd like to see more of this same format (with tangents!).

Richard Gryko 6 years, 11 months ago

hey,

tbh i cant really improve on what you said - if we're using x always and y never at 3.5 and x never and y always at 4.5 then it seems reasonable as a heuristic to set 4 as the cutoff point - beyond that you enter the realm of precision/complexity trade-offs bc obv there are multiple variables that can still impact your sizing strategy, but i think you'll see a pretty poor ROI for the additional effort. id say the single factor that most affects betsizing as OOP (either leading vs IP 3b or cbet as OOP 3bettor) is the presence or absence of a potential made straight, so if i were on the lookout for heuristics, reducing/eliminating the larger sizing on those boards where one exists would be a decent candidate (which isnt to say that monker never picks larger sizing on those boards, it just typically gets used at a frequency ranging from 0-10% and so can prob be trimmed with minimal evloss.)

ty for the tangent appreciation :p

heisenb0rg 6 years, 11 months ago

thought this was one of the best PLO video formats I've seen.
Think you struck a great balance between solver work and exploring a variety of scenarios.

I was coming on RIO to check if there's any new videos for mixed games (I rarely play PLO/NL now and was debating canceling my account), stumbled upon your video... making me think twice!

ryot 6 years, 10 months ago

I've really loved all of your content. As someone who is new to solver work myself I'm really loving the mix between live play and solutions. I think you articulate yourself really well.

An intro to how to use solvers would be lovely.

soundfsilenz 5 years, 3 months ago

Loved the video..guess Monkey solver approached with your analysis on zoom tables is a thorough approach which I would like to see more videos off..interesting to see your take on the 359 hh board with qq with the heart and double gutty against the agg villain..Seeing his calling frequency I would lean towards checking back qq78 even with a single heart trying to only realise ev in spots where I have it more often due to his inability to fold hands..though I would probably still use the king and ace of hearts with the same line to balance as you did here!

Richard Gryko 5 years, 2 months ago

Hi, glad you enjoyed, by now I've added quite a few more vids in this format, if you end up watching those hope you find them useful too :)

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