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3 Table $2.5/$5 6-Max Zoom NLHE Live Session

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Zeljko Krizan

POSTED May 29, 2016

Zeljko walks through his thought process while recapping the action from a recent session of $500 Zoom NLHE.

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poker pro 8 years, 9 months ago

@2:00 with Q8o you seem to be very certain that this is not a good spot for villain to overbet the river. I would tend to agree and I would not overbet very often in his shoes.

However I was curious about this spot and how the ranges interact on the river so I decided to run it in piosolver. I was surprised to see that piosolver prefers a 150% pot size over 2/3. I can´t think of a great reason why PIO does this. The only thing I can think of is that he is naturally pretty polarized here on the river when he goes bet bet bet and your range contains alot more medium flushes so a large size would therefore make sense.

Why do you think it´s not a good spot to overbet ?

Zeljko Krizan 8 years, 9 months ago

Well, im glad you brough piosolver up. The main problem with overbetting is that in some spots the players are simply not balanced enough (not bluffing the river enough). So when looking at piosolver, im sure it suggests interesting hands to be used as bluff. And if you are willing to balance that in the right way, then yes, I suggest overbetting. However, I think that the majority of nl500z field (so excluding top regs) would not get the idea to overbet the river here with air in my experience.
There is also a matter of history between the two of us :), he knows that I do not mind calling big bets on the river, and hes aware I would never fold the top of my range in this spot. So I think he was just trying to exploit me by overbetting.

holabcn 8 years, 9 months ago

Hey Zeljko, thanks for interesting content!

@min 30:40, what do u want to acomplish with betting that flop? What hands are u expecting V to fold?
36.40 Again, same question. Whats the point betting 97s on that turn? What hands are u expecting V to fold?
41.40 99 hand, were u going to Fire another bullet on a river vs 1 player?

Thanks, cheers.

Zeljko Krizan 8 years, 9 months ago

Hi holabcn!
30:40 this hand was a huge mess unfortunately :) 7s are just the bottom of my range so I decided to try and scare him off. In other words, I was hoping he has a weak part of his range, so AQ, KK or AA (no club in either case), not sure if hes capable of squeezing KQ or KJ or AJ, but his overall 3bet was 10 (not a big sample though). It was a little too optimistic on my side and I was aware that hes not folding too much of his range but i just wanted to give it a go. I guess if I had 7s without a club it would be an even weaker hand, with a club checking back and giving up, hoping to get a 4th club is not a bad idea.
36:40: This was vs a player I 3bet quite a lot in this session, I had a feeling he was getting annoyed, and on this flop I think he would assume I'm overbluffing and he would probably float too many hands. On the turn, I cannot x-f this hand, i must x-c, and since I will have Ts, Js Qs, and better 9x hands to x-c, this one just felt to weak for me to bluff catch with. So its more of a preference thing, I am more comfortable here to maintain the aggressive approach rather than pass on this opportunity to him. Additionally, I had a clear plan what to do if I get called, there are no rivers which will make life difficult for me. And if it happens that he folds the turn, I am very happy :)
41:40: The problem is, when player 1 calls the turn, he is either calling with a set, or a potential AK combos, I really doubt he would ever call flop with AQss so I can assume that is out of his range. I'm guessing if there is going to be a hand that he will fold on the river it will probably be only 4s(assuming he doesn't raise them on the flop). So I'm really not happy with fold equity on the river, and I think I would probably give up.

Ben 8 years, 9 months ago

Hi, thanks for the video

19:15
K6hh on AAATx
Flop is more a protection bet than anything else. But turn its not a bluff, vilain is not folding better in these positions.

35:41
97cc on Kxxr and TT on Kxxf both sb vs btn
you said in the TT spot that you would bet almost range. why is your sizing different ? 50% in the 97cc spot and 30% in the TT spot.

The turn bet with 97 on Kxx9 seems too thin

40:10
AsA in 4b pot on Jxxsss Xs Qx
what bluffs do you have here ?

41:15
why you choose 99 to bluff here ?
we have 10% vs calling hands, we dont block calling range, you have other better hands (KQJ hands of cc/dd/hh blocking Axx bdfd) ?

46:18
45dd in 3b pot on T95cdc 6x
45dd < AK, AQhi here ?

Zeljko Krizan 8 years, 9 months ago

Hi Ben,
19:15 - on the turn I can get him to fold low pocket pairs with this bet size, I also thought he would call the flop a lot so I can get him to fold K-9/8/7..They are of same strength as my hand but I do not want to split the pot. Also whenever I x, I am completely face up, which makes me vulnerable on the river to a bet.
35:41 - Pocket Ts were a squeeze, and 97 was a normal 3bet, so my pf ranges are different there. Sqeezing range is a lot tighter(therefore stronger) than my usual 3bet range. Also, when I squeeze and he calls, I have a lot more info about his hand, and I know his range is not too wide, so 30-35% bet does the job whether it is a value or protection or bluff bet. On the other hand, with 97, I think betting 60-65% is on the flop is also fine.
40:10 - I will have AK combos to bluff, I wont bluff all of them however, I have to be careful. Also hands like 6-5, 7-6. Even though im IP his 4bet was quite large so I cannot call too much pf, so I will be stuck with a lot of AK combos.
41:15 - It is not a great hand vs people's calling range but a small bet gives me a chance to see the river (if turn goes x-x) and potentially improvise later on, and also betting may get at least one of them to fold, so its a lot easier to play vs 1 than vs 2 players later on.
46:18 - yes, 4-5 does bet AQ AK, but that isnt all that he has in his range. This player is really good and on this flop, vs my MP3bet calling range he can afford to x many overpairs. So just because he checked flop, does not mean that he never has QQ KK even AA. So if he cbet the flop, I would call 4-5, cant fold especially with a diamond on the board. However, once turn is a 6, 54 really becomes the bottom of my range. Also, since I know that he will x this flop with overpairs, I can play a mixed strategy with sets, 2pair and straight combos, meaning that I will not always come out firing on the turn, but I would rather x and then raise. So as I was playing, I thought about x-r 5-4 and shoving river, but I could think of better combos to do it with so I just folded 5-4.

GuestSWE 8 years, 9 months ago

Thanks for the vid, I like the short but clearly articulated thought processes.

A question: @ 24 mins table 3 with 97s. I know you said you were surprised to see KJs here, but do you think its ok for him to by default b3bet gii here with 137bb eff stacks looking down at 2nd nut flushdraw? My question is that since you besides your combodraws have most sets (accurate?), Axs and even a low portion of AA, it seems like your range (against his actual holding) is ahead by quite a large margin, maybe even to the point where he (given the obvious zero FE) is making a slight -EV play in going with the hand? Or do you have enough flushdraws that he dominates?

Thanks!

Zeljko Krizan 8 years, 9 months ago

Hey GuestSWE, thank you!
My biggest surprise was his preflop decision...that is where it all begins. He choose to cold 4bet with KJs, a hand which I will dominate with my premium range, and he is completely OOP, and he gives me good pot odds and as you said we are deep with 137bbs so I have also good implied odds. When you sum that all up, his biggest mistake was preflop, unless he sees something I do not, maybe some kind of an exploit.
Regarding flop, well, a player who plays pf like this with KJs is not a type of player who will say no to a flush draw in a 4bet pot :). I will have Qs, I will have better flush draws, I will have KK sometimes AA, 6-8. I will have some lower fds as well (about 3 combos), I wont raise all of that on the flop but he will be in trouble very often vs my range. Either way, I didnt give him an option to fold on the flop since I only raised 65%, had I gone allin then I think he can fold. To sum it all up, I think his biggest mistake was pf, he got himself in a difficult situation with a hand he cannot really fold, but will be dominated often.

diepstack 8 years, 9 months ago

@ ~32:30 /w QQ on QJ7ddc

Why do you check-raise there as opposed to check calling multiple streets? Will we not get 3 streets of value from his over-pairs by check-calling 3 streets? If not, is getting max value from his overpairs better than getting value from his bluffing range?

Lastly, how are you building your raising range on the flop? What types of draws are you looking to play this way?

Thanks!

Zeljko Krizan 8 years, 9 months ago

Hi depstack,
Yes, I am getting 3 streets of value from his overpairs if i just x-c, but that only happens if turn and river are blank cards. For example, if turn or river card is an ace, then I lose my value completely. The second reason I raised is because the board is really draw heavy. I 3bet on sb vs button, thats probably a position I 3bet the most, and since I will only fold about 50% vs 4bet, I will have quite a lot of combos to play with on the flop. So hands like AJdd I would x-r, JTdd, even ATdd(but I wont always call a 4bet with this) just to name a few. Either way, as long as its a board with a lot of draws he can never fold, in fact you do not need to have any bluff raises and you will still end up allin vs KK AA.
So yes, getting max value from his overpairs is much better than getting max value from his bluffing range, since I do not believe his bluffing range to be wide at all. We are deep, so assuming i x-c the flop, which I can easily do with AQ, QJ, JJ, honestly even QQ I do not think from my own experience that players will shove 500$ on the turn as a bluff. So id definitely say its better to go for value than to wait for a bluff.

Ben 8 years, 9 months ago

Hey Zljko
What do you mean here ?
"Either way, as long as its a board with a lot of draws he can never fold, in fact you do not need to have any bluff raises and you will still end up allin vs KK AA. "
You mean as an exploit people never fold KK+ in that spot ?

Zeljko Krizan 8 years, 9 months ago

Yes, in these positions they will never fold KK+, at least I know they will never fold vs me. I also cannot think of a player against which I would fold KK there, actually I can think of 1 or 2 which is extremely rare.
So I can use that to my advantage, and raise everything for value, knowing they will always call KK+ and only fold a bluff which is okay with me.

BillGossage 8 years, 8 months ago

good video so far!

18:57, you say "I have weaker hands in my range to bluff with than king high, so I do not necessarily need to go all in here".

What do you mean by this?

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