3 Table $2.5/$5 6-Max Zoom Live Review
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hey mark thx for the good video. Can you tell me which handrange you put on villain in the JJ 4bet hand? thx in advance
Thanks Roy,
Can you give me the timestamp please.
I usually check my whole range in villains shoes ott when the flushdraw completes. I think this card is better for IP than OOP.
He could play KK,AK,AA like this till the river but i expect them to shove quite often with these types of hands. AhTx-Ah-Qx could be hands he played like this until the river.
And we can probably add some other types of hands with or without an ace.
nice bluff with the JJ, balls of steel :P
I'm getting back in to playing zoom again, playing 0.5/1 though, so was good to see some action from a higher stakes zoom reg. good vid!
pretty sure i played vs you in 0.50/1 a couple years ago although not 100% sure.
is there going to be a part 2?
Thanks Demon,
I don't think i've played more than 1k hands at ,50/1 zoom, but maybe we saw each other in those hands :)
GL grinding the zoompools.
There will be some more 500 zoom footage but not perse a part two from this session.
I'm interested too, The JJ hand started at 37:25.
thx for finding it
See the reply on the top
At 4:34 top right, don't you think checking range or donking small are both better options than donking 77% given that your range lacks bluffs and villain can easily fold all his bluffcatchers vs your sizing?
In practise i don't see regs betting the river very often after using the sizings he did, so i like donking with some parts of my range. But i agree i probably was to greedy with my sizing. He'd call with 66 though.
At 5:31 top left dont you think its a good spot to bet range for small sizing?
No we have a bunch of high pairs that dont really benefit from putting more money into the pot. Oxota made a video about this. His last two vids explain why this is the case.
At 5:68 top right, what do you think is a good x/r frequency on this board? Using flopzilla I estimated that you are x/r close to 20% if you chose to x/r hands like T7s. Is that reasonable?
When someone uses a small cbet size he is basically telling us he is going to bet a large % of his range. On this low board we have a lot of hands that wants protection against his overcard type of hands that will bet/ fold this board. 20% seems reasonable and i think think PIO solver will suggest something close to that number.
At 10:03 top right, isnt the fact that he doesnt connect with the board an argument for c-betting a lot? This hand seems like a good c-bet, with the 2 overs, gutshot and the fact that we can get value from worse Ax hands, which will be a good portion of his floating range on this texture if he is folding too much preflop
I think both checking and betting are fine. I would usually cbet the AK,AQ,AJ type of hands with the backdoorfds and mix with the others.
At 13:08 top left how do you control your frequencies for betting this river? Maybe you only bet this hand becuse it was the bottom of your range?
My first picks would be the gutters with a diamond. I think i would be overbluffing if i use every single gutter so i start with the suited ones aswell.
We would need to do some off the table work to see how many combos we can bluff exactly.
thx for the vid! some interesting spots.
4:15 KQdd, this is a pretty weird spot on this runout in a pot that went 4way otf. hard to know exactly what range BTN gets here with depending on his 3b strat, also not exactly sure of your overcall range in the SB. Not sure your riv lead makes sense bc it seems you don't have enough bluffs (77, 88 are your bluffs I guess) to incentivize him to call with his Ax. I guess you would lead flushes, 77, 88 and he has to call some 76s otr since he doesn't get here with many flushes. However I think we can expect him to vbet 6x (?) and weaker flushes otr so I don't think we lose value vs. those hands by checking. There's also the fact that most of his flushes otr are A9dd, ATdd, AJdd and by leading KQdd we lose like 60bbs more to those hands by b/c as opposed to xc riv.
def. can't blame you for this line in game though, I think it's actually pretty interesting. I don't think he can vbet Ax otr in this spot and we get here with more 6x than he does (we have 66, he has 76s) so theoretically it doesn't seem too problematic to weaken our check range by leading flushes. how do you think you would play 66 there?
Hey Ralph,
His sizings made me want to donk the river. I think facing a sizing like this he is betting a lot of marginal hands for protection/ semi value.
I would x/c river with 66. I don't expect many Ax in his range so donking 66 doesnt make a ton of sense.
Vs "normal" sizings i would check my whole range OTR.
ok that makes more sense, thx.
what do you think about flop sizing in the very first hand J8o bottom left, :05? Is half pot your standard there? It seems like your range could benefit from betting smaller on this texture, like 40% on these types of boards K72 A94 Q32.
interesting question:
I've put the ranges in PIO and it actually is suggesting to bet smaller than i did. My standard sizing is half pot being oop on A high boards but apparently betting smaller and betting a bit more than 50% is preferable.
We are betting a bunch of our Ax (the stronger a the more we bet) and betting our stronger 9x and 4x aswell.
So yeah betting 1/3 gets a tiny bit of an higher ev than betting 1/2.
3:35 you fold KTo, can you explain why this is a fold? It seems so alien to me to fold when another person is in the pot so perhaps i am understanding this spot very wrong... Because i assume we are calling vs the original raiser and when the second guy calls my mind usually thinks OK now we're getting even better pot odds and i call without thinking. I guess it's all to do with the cold callers very strong range so where do you draw the line, KJo is a call? Sorry if my question is poorly worded, would just like to hear your thoughts on this spot more. Thank you
We've got about 25% equity vs their ranges. We need 21% equity to call if this was the end of the hand without any bets going in. But since we are oop, facing a strong openingsrange and an even stronger cc range, i think its very tough to realise more than 80% of our equity.
KJo has similair equity but a tiny bit more playabilty. I think ingame i'd call but looking at it now it might be a fold.
I've got a small samplesize for this example and without weaker players in the pot i would be losing more than 100bb/100.
Great vid Mark! What's your river calling range after you check at bottom left @25:14, assuming he bets ~80% pot? What do you think is a reasonable river betting range for opponent?
Thanks Jscott,
You mean if he starts donking the river vs my QJ? I cbet both turn and river soo maybe i am looking at the wrong hand.
Ah I didn't realize you were OOP- sorry was a bit tired.
Liking the vid so far!
@ 9:06 table 2 with QJcc, after seeing him betting that small size for protection/value with KT, what would a good range adaption to his sizing be/what can we deduce about his betsizing strategy?
We can assume if he only uses those types of hands with that particular sizing he'd check back the river a lot. So we can either start x/raising turn very aggressively or call turn with some medium hands and donk "scary rivers".
We need a bit more info than 1 hand to know if he is balanced in those types of spots before we make big adjustments.
24 mins table 2, would there in your opinion be any pros to mixing it up here by betting either 50%-ish pot or full pot instead of the chosen sizing?
Interesting spot. Here we wouldnt be valuebetting much wider than the Ad. So our valuebetting range is quite polarised = usually bigger sizing.
At the same time we don't have very many bluffs. We fold quite of bit of weak toppairs without a diamond. = smalkler sizing.
I think in this spot if somebody has the Qd or perhaps the Jd i'd get a call. Especially when the weaker player is involved. So here i think my sizing is ok and maybe vs two regs we want to size down a bit.
Great Video Mark, I hope you never stop, keep going!
Thnaks Airborne for the nice compliment :)
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