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3 Table $10/$20 6-Max Zoom PLO Live Session

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Phil Galfond

POSTED Apr 06, 2015

Phil discusses his Zoom play across 3 tables of action, sitting out on occasion to allow for in depth discussion of some of the more involved situations.

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Zachary Freeman 9 years, 11 months ago

10:30 Table 1; KKQ7 on T63cc,T,3h
Thanks for the video.
You said that on an "offsuit river" you could go for a small value bet but not on the 3. First, I assume you mean low non pairing offsuit rivers. That said the 2,4,5,7,8,9 (all low blanks) complete a straight. The 3 river I think is one of the blankest rivers there is. I assume his turn calling range is most PP, trips, and a few draws he chose to check back with yet still call board pair turn. The 3 river rarely improves that range.
The only hands improved on river are 773x-993x,JJ3x,QQ3x Additionally, hands that contain 3x would be 3:cc, or 345 yet many of those are likely to bet flop.
I think IF you are going to bet any rivers unimproved this has to be one of them. It depends if he has JJ,QQ, 99 and calls often enough. If he doesn't then we should xc or xf depending on if he has enough draws that call turn and bluff river.

Phil Galfond 9 years, 11 months ago

Hey Zach,

I think what I like about the non board pairing rivers is that they give him a lot more two pair hands to hero call with. So even on a river 9, I would like a bet more because he can have a lot of 9x to find a call with. On the 3, I am counting almost purely on pocket pairs to look me up. Though many of them play this way, that's still not a ton of combos.

This is just my intuitive sense though, and I'd love for you to change my mind with some math :)

hands that contain 3x would be 3:cc, or 345 yet many of those are likely to bet flop.

This is the only part of your post I disagree with. I'd expect him to be checking a lot of 345/357 and 3cc, given how much equity they have against the folding portion of my range and how they lose equity by narrowing my range to contain more cc hands that x/c or (of course) x/r. I'd prefer a bet from a dry KJ32 to a bet with those hands in his shoes.

Christian Harder 9 years, 11 months ago

at 15:20 with KcQxTx2x on 823cc you check/fold in a HU pot. Seems like a close spot with having Kc. I feel like I have seen you almost always call there in the past.

Phil Galfond 9 years, 11 months ago

Yeah it looks like I was distracted at the time this hand came up. I do think it's very close. I'm actually liking a x/r a little more than a x/c, just given how rarely he will have monsters and how profitably I can continue bluffing on draw completing turns. Depends how often I am leading boards like this, which is common from the BB.

Zachary Freeman 9 years, 11 months ago

44:12; A864ccss on 772dd
I was thinking and was going to write that I thought this peel was too light but after investigating it looks like you are correct for peeling.
I have a few questions and points:

MDF says we need to call 1-(75/341)/(75/341+1)= 82%

1) Often we need to defend over MDF because villains bluffs have equity. Do you think this is a spot we should defend over MDF?
2) If villains range is sufficiently stronger than ours it might lead us to defend under MDF because our weakest combos will be too far behind his entire range, correct? Is this a spot we should defend under MDF?

Just for guidelines to answering 1) and 2):

Villains range for the sim is a somewhat balanced 3b % of 10.5.
Our full range is 40% vs his full range. (Our range vs his betting range will be significantly lower)

As8s6c4c is 19% vs his full range. (Our range vs his betting range will be significantly lower)
If we continue by calling FD, Overpairs, trips+, AK+BDFD, AQ+BDFD
and
continue by bluff raising AK no FD nor BDFD,86+BDFD, and all PP 33-66
That has us continuing 74%

Zachary Freeman 9 years, 11 months ago

Phil, rivered pairs to hero call with isn't something I considered. Interesting. I would say that if he is checking back a lot of draws as you felt he would be than those non pairing offsuit cards will make him a straight some and take away from ev gained by him rivering candidates to hero call.
I felt that on T63cc the bulk of your 3b range is going to continue as a xc and xf given you dont hit the board very well. You have a considerable range that you xf and hands like 345, 3:cc have plenty to gain by getting a fold from your xf range which still has considerable equity. Given your cr % is probably fairly low my thought is 345 3:cc can do well by betting.

okdude 9 years, 11 months ago

Hi Phil,
I really like this format (3 tables Zoom + Break if severals interestings hands occurs) ! It give me the opportunity to see what you and i would play live compared to my decision with deeper analysis.
It also give us time to think about more creative line and strategic options.

sted9000 9 years, 11 months ago

Like the format Phil, Thanks.
At 46 mins on the bottom right table after you k/c flop, you say you think the turn decision is very standard and not worth talking about, but I have a question about it. Under the assumption that he always has either the NF or NFB and will always pot the river you should be folding the turn as you don't have odds to call down (you need 44% and a reasonable flatting range only has between 35-42% blocker bluff combos. Although the board will pair 1/4th of the time which could slow him down with his bluffs).
The question: Do call turn because you think folding a hand this high up in your range is too exploitable or do you call because you think you have enough equity to get to showdown? You sort of answered this already when you stopped and went over the hand at 58mins

bhasma 9 years, 11 months ago

Hi Phil,

Thank you for the video. @43:10 on the top right table you said that you have to call the pot river bet with the nut flush on the paired board. Maybe Im a little bit too nit in my thinking process but since he flats your raise on the turn (where I assume you tried to represent a made straight with your nut flush draw), doesnt this mean that he has a lot of sets/2 pairs in his range?

Even if it's frustrating in a spot like this when you make your hand on the river by semi bluffing it on the turn, shouldn't we fold to a river pot bet since he's clearly represting a boat+ in this spot?

Also if he had checked the river would you have value bet in this spot? And also I suppose you would have barrel a non club, non paired river, or are they some river you were planing to give up against (like a non club 10 J or 7 for ex)?

This hand seems relevant to me since many times I tried to semi bluff a hand, made it on the river, faced a bet knowing I should fold in this spot and couldn't find the fold at the end.

Thanks again for the great work

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